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ND’s Vital Signs: Schedules

Notre Dame Fighting Irish

Notre Dame athletics director Jack Swarbrick believes that the independent Irish must build challenging schedules.

In a five-part series, we review the “vital signs” needed to achieve championship play. Part IV is a Manageable Schedule.

Lou Somogyi
    • I didn't agree with much Kevin White did, but, I did like the way he scheduled for success in football trying to get 7 home games a year. Heck, most of the superpowers nowadays have 8. No reason to over schedule, especially when you are averaging just 7 wins a season over the last 15 years.

      simm

    • If they want to stay Independent and have a shot at the NC, then they need to play and beat the best.

      19BlueAndGold85

    • I believe it was sweet Lou himself that did an article several months ago that summarized that when ND has a good team and plays a tough schedule, the results are more positive. Conversely, when ND has a good team and plays a so-so schedule, the results aren't as positive. Is that about right Lou; or am I off base.

      dheinen

    • dheinen said...

      I believe it was sweet Lou himself that did an article several months ago that summarized that when ND has a good team and plays a tough schedule, the results are more positive. Conversely, when ND has a good team and plays a so-so schedule, the results aren't as positive. Is that about right Lou; or am I off base.

      i agree with ^^^^ that. we seem to get up for the "big boys" and then gear down for a navy or tulsa. too me that's poor coaching in not getting the kids ready to play the "easy wins". and some of us have to stop whinning about the "tougher" schedule than say usc or bama, etc. what we need to do is win those games. we gave the game away to south fla, but they were "ready" to play a team that should have won by 20........

      Coach_Clancy

    • Good article again Lou. Thank you for keeping us grounded in reality. If they execute on the field it will all fall into place. Also better to get Miami now rather in 2-3 years when Golden has had time to work his magic.

      SDWolverine

    • We got screwed in 1990 and then again in 1993,there is a bias out there against ND,today for ND to win a National Championship,they pretty much have to be undefeated,maybe just 1 loss if it was a top 10 opponent,but never 2 losses like LSU a few years ago!!!!!!They pretty much have to be perfect!!!!

      Greg Zeppieri

    • Does anyone remember the rumor several weeks back that Swarbrick was being courted for a new job? Obviously, he hasn't taken a new job. Just wondering if the possibility is still there or if that position has already been filled.

      dheinen

    • Recently we lose against top teams as often as we lose to average teams. Outcoached, not "up" for game, looking ahead, still celebrating last weeks win; call it what you may, bottom line you have to win the current game. If you lose the current game it's pretty obvious why - so fix it. Can't fix it? That's why you have coaching, schedule or player position changes.

      FBFAN

    • “If we want to be there, we better be able to make the argument that no one in the country played a tougher schedule, and so that's how we're going to build them."

      -- Notre Dame is writing its own obituary. The new BCS format is likely going to be the top 3 conference champions plus a wildcard which will go to the otherwise highest rank team. Conference teams are going to in effect have 2 shots at getting into the final 4 whereas Notre Dame will have one. Meanwhile, conference teams will ease into their schedules with light teams and/or have a light team before or after the big game. ND will be forced to play Big 10 teams at the beginning of the schedule -- again -- and the big 10 can lose and still win a conference championship but when ND loses it basically screws itself out of the final 4.

      I understand why ND wants to represent itself at the BCS table; I would too. But there are pretty much 2 things that are going to happen for the next 10 years assuming this model goes forward:
      1. Notre Dame will never be in the final 4
      2. Notre Dame will be a perpetual 3,4,5 game a season loser because of its brutal schedule.

      Notre Dame needs to decide if it wants to win. All this bravado of "we'll just have to win it the hard way" is hollow. Notre Dame still makes its kids go to school, get good grades, stay disciplined, and is still based in Northern Indiana. These things don't make players tough -- these things make them tired from studying, stressed and burned-out. Meanwhile their opponent will have Notre Dame circled on their calendar - whether it is Michigan, Michigan State, Navy, Purdue, USC, you name it. At most of those schools, the kids don't worry about studying late at night.

      Stay independent. Fine. But continue to be mediocre. Because that is what will happen. An independent Notre Dame will never play in the final 4.

      This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Irish Cedar on 6/14/2012 at 6:11 PM

      Irish Cedar

    • How can you say we play well against top competition? Nd has only beat one team in the top 25 the last few years and that was Utah. I know we beat michigan st last year but that game was their first real competition and played terrible. We won the games we should win last year except for south Florida and played scared against USC and stanford and fooled around with michigan.

      nd4life4

    • dheinen,

      That article you speak of doesn't ring a bell. There used to be a period under Lou Holtz when they would do better when they were under-ranked prior to the season (1988, 1993 or 1995, and then not as well when the expectations were higher like in 1990, 1992 or 1996), but I don't know if that's what you are referring to.

      Either way, as nd4life4 pointed out, Notre Dame has not been excelling against top competition for a long time. It has lost nine straight to a top-10 team (a school record), with the last such win coming at Michigan in 2005, Charlie Weis' second game.

      Lou Somogyi

    • If there's one thing I can say about Jack, it's that he absolutely has ND's best interest at heart. I can't say that about Kevin White. It appeared that he was working on his own agenda at times. Either way, I agree wtih what Jack is doing. You can't play a bunch of tier 2 teams and expect to be in the hunt. If that were the case, Boise State would have 6 rings by now!

      P.S. Sorry for comparing Boise State to ND but you get the idea...

      ND Q

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      2daniel6

    • I was referring to the years under Holtz, and even prior to that (not Faust). Because that is the last time ND had a "good team" CW's first two teams were decent, but not good. Just like Holtz said, "when we're good, I won't have to tell you". Thanks again for the article Mr. Somogyi.

      dheinen

    • line um up will play um i love being independent for that reason getting the chance to play the top teams is what we are about.

      ndpalazotto9

    • ndpalazotto9 said...

      line um up will play um i love being independent for that reason getting the chance to play the top teams is what we are about.

      I like seeing the marquee matchups too when I know we have a shot at winning. This years schedule seems a bit much though. Murderers Row for sure

      19BlueAndGold85

    • Even Knute Rockne's first consensus national title team with the Four Horsemen and Seven Mules started off with Lombard and Wabash.

      Lou Somogyi

    • ndpalazotto9 said...

      line um up will play um i love being independent for that reason getting the chance to play the top teams is what we are about.

      You love 5 loss seasons too? I guess so.

      Irish Cedar

    • Irish Cedar said...

      “If we want to be there, we better be able to make the argument that no one in the country played a tougher schedule, and so that's how we're going to build them."

      -- Notre Dame is writing its own obituary. The new BCS format is likely going to be the top 3 conference champions plus a wildcard which will go to the otherwise highest rank team. Conference teams are going to in effect have 2 shots at getting into the final 4 whereas Notre Dame will have one. Meanwhile, conference teams will ease into their schedules with light teams and/or have a light team before or after the big game. ND will be forced to play Big 10 teams at the beginning of the schedule -- again -- and the big 10 can lose and still win a conference championship but when ND loses it basically screws itself out of the final 4.

      I understand why ND wants to represent itself at the BCS table; I would too. But there are pretty much 2 things that are going to happen for the next 10 years assuming this model goes forward: 1. Notre Dame will never be in the final 4 2. Notre Dame will be a perpetual 3,4,5 game a season loser because of its brutal schedule.

      Notre Dame needs to decide if it wants to win. All this bravado of "we'll just have to win it the hard way" is hollow. Notre Dame still makes its kids go to school, get good grades, stay disciplined, and is still based in Northern Indiana. These things don't make players tough -- these things make them tired from studying, stressed and burned-out. Meanwhile their opponent will have Notre Dame circled on their calendar - whether it is Michigan, Michigan State, Navy, Purdue, USC, you name it. At most of those schools, the kids don't worry about studying late at night.

      Stay independent. Fine. But continue to be mediocre. Because that is what will happen. An independent Notre Dame will never play in the final 4.

      Irish Cedar....
      My feelings exactly.
      We need to have you present your case to the highers ups....if they listen we may have a chance down the road.

      Well stated!!

      Fleahy

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