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Breaking down Irish offensive woes

  • http://notredame.247sports.com/Article/Notre-Dame-football-turnover-problems--72320

    A deep dive into all of the many ways in which Notre Dame's offense shot itself in the foot last season.

    Dan Murphy

  • Great stuff dan, really good job putting the pics and slide show together to give us that info.

    First time POTW for 4/18/2011-4/24/2011.

    edd1066

  • Has Kelly indicated what his goals are? Of course he wants zero negative plays, but what is his goal: no more than what percentage of drives per game can have a negative play?

    And what is his goal for drives with no negative plays? To score in what percentage of those drives?

    65too

  • Charts 2 and 5 bother me the most. Take good minus the bad and we're only getting 2-4 actual positive drives per game. Chart 5 gives us 101 broken plays but atleast the other team has to make a play, but 28 pre-snap errors is way too much.

    SCirish843

  • I thought it was really interesting to see that ND had basically the same amount of negative plays running the ball (actually a few more) than when they passed. Maybe the archaic faction will stop clamoring for a "three yards and a cloud of dust" offense.

    dheinen

  • dheinen said...

    I thought it was really interesting to see that ND had basically the same amount of negative plays running the ball (actually a few more) than when they passed. Maybe the archaic faction will stop clamoring for a "three yards and a cloud of dust" offense.

    That surprised me, too. The difference was even more dramatic when I first started because the NCAA counts sacks as rushing attempts. I adjusted them to be counted as passes for that chart (and made a tweak after publishing thanks to an assist from Notre Dame's Sports Info Director).

    I think we remember it differently because normally mistakes in the passing game are much more harmful than running the ball. Seventeen sacks caused a lot more problems than the 3-4 dozen times Irish running backs got stopped behind the line, usually resulting in only a yard or two of a loss.

    This post was edited by Dan Murphy on 5/1/2012 at 4:31 PM

    Dan Murphy

  • 65too said...

    Has Kelly indicated what his goals are? Of course he wants zero negative plays, but what is his goal: no more than what percentage of drives per game can have a negative play?

    And what is his goal for drives with no negative plays? To score in what percentage of those drives?

    I don't know if the coaches privately set those type of goals, but it isn't likely that they would share anything publicly other than the goal is to be completely free of mistakes.

    One interesting metric that Kelly has said he relies on in the past is that an efficient offense ideally scores about 7 points for every 80 yards it gains (roughly 11.5 yards per point). Last year's offense racked up 5,369 yards and scored only 380 points. That's about 14 yards per point. Not too far off, but had they averaged a point every 11.5 yards they would have scored 467 points last season.

    In comparison, Stanford — one of the more efficient offenses in the country last year — scored 561 points on 6,361 yards of offense, or 11.34 yards per point.

    This post was edited by Dan Murphy on 5/1/2012 at 4:46 PM

    Dan Murphy

  • TURNOVERS.......I'm sorry everbody.........we are in bk's 3rd year.........I got this bad feeling that this coaching team cant bring this T.O. problem under control.

    mrstrange ●

  • The succes rate on plays with turnovers is actually a negative pct as, I beleive, two of the negative plays were scoring plays for the other team.

    marklawrence

  • This is misleading. A more meaningful stat would be the pct of 1st down plays that were negative, the pct of second down etc. This slide is biased by the fact that there are more first down plays than second and second than third, etc.

    marklawrence

  • This is good stuff. It gets objective and specific about the problem. keep it coming.

    marklawrence

  • Three observations.

    First, the ability of the offense to follow a poor play (penalty, dropped pass, sack, no gain or loss of yards on rush) with a good/great play.

    Second, the ability of the defense to follow a turnover with an exceptional effort to stop the opponent's offense cold.

    Third, the special teams must win the field position battle.

    S**t happens to every team, winners overcome adversity and bad breaks. Coaches and team leaders must set the tone to PLAY LIKE A CHAMPION.

    FBFAN

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    garyfh

  • Dan,

    Has anyone done an analysis of the average number of plays it takes ND
    to score? broken down by how ND received the ball (kickoff, punt, turnover)
    and location of the field? It seems to me that one of the problems we have
    had over the years is the lack of an offense that can score using anywhere
    from 3 to 7 plays. We always seem to be involved in long, 12, 13, 14 play
    drives which, of course, maximizes the chance for a negative play to occur
    within our drives.

    hemy

  • Good question, hemy. I haven't seen those numbers anywhere. When I get some time later this week I'll take a look and see if there is any trend there.

    Dan Murphy

  • Well done, Dan.

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    Jason Sapp

  • FBFAN said...

    Three observations.

    First, the ability of the offense to follow a poor play (penalty, dropped pass, sack, no gain or loss of yards on rush) with a good/great play.

    Second, the ability of the defense to follow a turnover with an exceptional effort to stop the opponent's offense cold.

    Third, the special teams must win the field position battle.

    S**t happens to every team, winners overcome adversity and bad breaks. Coaches and team leaders must set the tone to PLAY LIKE A CHAMPION.

    #3 gets my juices going especially ND's atrocious punt return avg last season - ND gave up way too much field position in this area. Good observations. GO IRISH!

    irish13

  • and i'll say it again until i don't see it on the field. the problem is'nt our defense, so far it's (still!) the offense. we don't have the right kind of players to run kelly's offense. so will bk continue to force the system on players he does'nt have? not this year king kelly. this year these are your guys. another mediocre year and it's all on you baby.....

    Run the ball. Stop the run. You win, or lose, up front.

    Coach_Clancy

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