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  • Borromini83,

    Did you win your bet?

    I can't believe I had that temporary brain cramp with Rip Miller. 1933 was one of the more forgettable seasons in ND history — and no, I didn't cover it. ND finished 3-5-1, Anderson got fired after three years and the Irish failed to score a single point in four home games. Five of those seven wins occurred between 1933 and 1940, when all the Rockne proteges and pupils were coming into full force, most notably Frank Leahy at BC before coming to Notre Dame.

  • tedhardman,

    These are some pretty exciting times in the ND athletics department, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Jack Swarbrick stay another four or five years, especially if the football program continues humming. To win it all there would be a crowning achievement.

    If there were a change, I would agree that Bubba Cunningham and Mike Bobinski would probably be two of the first names mentioned as successors, if not 1-2. However, each of the last five hires came out of left field.

    Many thought the successor for Moose Krause in 1981 would be in-house — maybe a Roger Valdiserri — per usual, but ND surprised many when it went to Virginia to get Gene Corrigan. When Corrigan stepped down in 1987, Jim Lynch was a popular name bandied about — and most everyone was completely flummoxed when local prominent banker Dick Rosenthal (a basketball All-American for ND was hired). It was deemed unorthodox to hire someone with no experience in athletics administration for the job, but the post was becoming more about revenue, and nobody knew money better than Rosenthal. It turned into a shrewd hire, especially with the NBC deal three years later to generate more revenue.

    When Rosenthal stepped down in 1995, who the heck would have thought the successor would be the Canadian ambassador to Ireland (Mike Wadsworth)? That's another one that came out of left field, and so was Kevin White, in some ways, when he was hired in 2000.

    When White suddenly stepped down in 2008, I saw about 12 to 15 prospective candidates listed for the job, including Bubba and Mike, or even MAC commissioner Rick Chryst, who played baseball here in the early 1980s. I don't think I saw Jack Swarbrick's name anywhere. So the one thing I've learned about with AD vacancies at ND is to expect the unexpected.

    Gene Smith is an Ohioan ensconced at OSU. I don't see him moving anywhere else. The Wisconsin AD, Barry Alvarez, coached at ND for Holtz from 1987-89, but he didn't graduate from here. He's an icon in the state of Wisconsin and I see no chance of him leaving there either.

    Bubba is an '84 classmate of mine. After John Paxson graduated in 1983, Bubba was the best point guard on campus. He was a two-time Bookstore Basketball champion who I had a chance to play with and against in the Rock. One of my teammates one time in a pick-up game played for Digger and asked that I cover Bubba — because he couldn't hang with him. That wasn't very encouraging. I couldn't hang with him either, needless to say. But one of my athletic highlights was beating his team one time, 15-11. It was so special that I still even remember the score. Sort of like 31-30.

  • I sent in the answer...waiting to find out if I got in first before anyone else. Thanks.

    This post was edited by borromini63 11 months ago

  • Let me know if you won. Those are the correct answers.

  • I lost...they were the right answers, but someone beat me to it. The only answer I knew from memory was Dinardo.

    We were allowed to use what ever resources were available. The OP that posted the trivia question asked where I got the info. I told him I visited the Somogyi Library. biggrin.

    He's an ND old timer planning on posting future ND FB trivia that he claims are the toughest we'll encounter.

    Again thanks...and looking forward to bringing you the next challenge.

  •'s the next challenge from TOS:

    Name as many and if possible, all ND football players that are brothers. I can think of:
    Bob & Mike Golic
    Jake & Mike Jr.
    Josh & George Atkinson
    Greg & Chris Olsen
    Reggie & Tony Brooks

    This post was edited by borromini63 11 months ago

  • Well, in my era growing up in the 1970s there were Mike & Willie Townsend, Larry & Gerry DiNardo, Dave & Tim Huffman (later Steve, too, although he became unpopular for the 1990 Sports Illustrated article in which he alleged or cited significant steroid use) and of course, Ross, Jim and Willard Browner, all three of whom were on the 1976 team.

    In fact, in a 13-6 victory at South Carolina in 1976, freshman fullback Willard scored the lone TD in the game on a four-yard TD, Jim made a crucial interception with about three minutes left near his 10-yard line, and Ross was named the National Lineman of the Week for recording about five or six tackles behind the line of scrimmage.

    You've omitted Zack & Nick Martin, and I don't know if Greg & Chris Olsen would be counted, mainly because Greg was on campus less than two weeks before he and his brother both transferred.

    Others who come to mind during "my time" were from A (quarterback Frank Allocco and halfback Rich Allocco in the 1970s) through Z (quarterback Bill Zloch and defensive back Chuck Zloch in the 1960s).

    In one case, Elmer Layden, one of the legendary Four Horsemen from 1922-24, was the head coach of the Irish in 1935 when brother Mike Layden was his starting right halfback.

    The “First Family” of Notre Dame was the Millers in the early part of the 20th century. From 1909 through 1924, four different Miller brothers starred at Notre Dame, from former captain Harry in 1909 to Four Horseman Don in 1924. Harry’s son, Creighton, would lead the nation in rushing for Notre Dame’s 1943 national champions.

    George & Jack Connor were on the Frank Leahy dynasties in the late 1940s, and so were Terry & Jim Brennan.

    I don't have any research material in front of me at home right now and it's late, but that's a start.

    This post was edited by Lou Somogyi 11 months ago

  • Don't forget that Chris and Will Salvi were both on the roster last year, with Chris getting put on scholarship and now getting a tryout with the Chicago Bears.

    Speaking of walk-on brothers, in the late 1980s there were two walk-on brothers who were linemen from Hawaii with the name Prinzivalli. The first name for one was Dom, and I forget the other one. I think Dom might have played late in a game, but not sure if his brother did.

  • Lake Dawson (1990-93) had a younger brother Lewis who signed with Notre Dame.

  • Ugh...I forgot the Martin brothers...embarrassing. I guess the Olsen's wouldn't count...

  • Were Hiawatha and D'Juan Francisco brothers?

  • Yes, Very good. Hiawatha enrolled in 1983 as a running back and so did D'Juan in 1985 before moving to safety. They were from Cincinnati Moeller High.

  • borromini63,

    OK, with the aid of crib notes, here's what I have, from A to Z. I'm taking into account that they didn't have to play together. For example, Tom Carey was a QB in the early 1950s and brother Tony was an All-American DB in the mid-1960s. Same with the Crotty brothers. Some I've already mentioned, but I'm surprised about a few I omitted, notably the Wisnes:

    Frank and Rich Allocco.

    George and Josh Atkinson.

    Not sure about this one, but Norm (1917-20) and George Barry (1923), both from Chicago. Norm was a high school coach who helped inspire Moose Krause to attend ND.

    Walk-ons David (2003) and Thomas Bemenderfer (2007-08), from nearby Mishawaka Penn. Thomas transferred from Northwestern.

    Arthur and Joe Bergman from Peru, Indiana from 1915-23.

    Walk-ons Frank (1977) and Bob Bleyer (1980)

    Dick and Mike Boushka from Wichita Texas in the late 1970s, early 1980s. Ashamed I omitted them.

    Walk-ons Bob and Tom Burger from Cincinnati in the early 1980s. Went to Holy Cross for a year with another of their brothers.

    Ross, Jim and Willard Browner.

    Tony and Reggie Brooks

    Tom and Tony Carey from Chicago, as we mentioned earlier.

    Frank and Fred Carideo from 1928-35, with Frank the QB on the 1929 and 1930 national champs.

    Gene and Luke Carrabine from Gary, Ind., in the early 1950s.

    Dezera and George Cartier on the original ND teams in from 1887-89 — and of Cartier Field fame.

    Ed, Pat and Tom Coady from Pana, Ill., also at the start of the program.

    Chuck and Eddie Collins from Oak Park from 1922-29.

    Dick and Tom Creevy in the early 1940s.

    Jim (1957-59) and Mike Crotty (1969-71) from Seattle. Crotty had quite a game in the 1971 Cotton Bowl upset of No. 1 Texas.

    Clem, Ed and Emmett Crowe from the 1920s and 1930s, also prominent in basketball.

    Clarence and Lee Diebold in the first decade of the 20th century.

    Brian and Kevin Doherty in the 1970s. Brian was the punter for the 1973 national champs.

    Gus and Joe Dorais from 1910-16. Gus was Knute's throwing partner.

    Bill and Fred Earley from 1940-47.

    Fred, Joe and John Eggeman from 1897 all the way to 1923 (I think).

    Walk-ons Joe and John Farrell (I think) from 1987-96.

    Hiawatha and D'Juan Francisco from Moeller in the 1980s.

    Bob, Greg and Mike Golic from 1975-84.

    Mike Golic Sr's offspring, Mike Jr. and Jake, in recent years.

    Dave, Tim and Steve Huffman from 1975-86.

    Not sure about this, but I thought All-America guard Ernie Hughes (1974-77) also had a brother here, I think his name was Dick, but he didn't play.

    Linebackers Pete and Phil Johnson from 1974-78. In fact, they may have been twins. Not sure. It wouldn't make the Atkinsons the first if that's true.

    Bob and Gene Kapish from 1949-55.

    Not sure of this one, but there was Johnny and Pete Kelley from Chicago from 1936-40. Kellys in Chicago are pretty common.

    Elmer and Mike Layden from 1924 to 1935, as mentioned.

    Kyle and Dan McCarthy as recent safeties. Flogging myself for missing that.

    We mentioned the Miller brothers from 1906-24. Harry, Ray, Walter, Gerry and Don. I'm not sure if one was a cousin, but all were from Defiance, Ohio.

    Kerry and Larry Moriarty from 1974-82. Larry came via the JC route.

    Dan and Tony Novakov, offensive linemen in the 1970s from Moeller.

    Mike and Larry Parker from 1970-73. Mike was a RB who had 178 yards receiving in the 1970 loss at USC, a single-game record for an ND running back.

    David and Dom Prinzivalli, linemen brothers and walk-ons from Hawaii I mentioned earlier.

    Linemen Marty and Steve Roddy in the 1980s.

    Bob and Tom Saggau from 1938-48.

    Not sure of this one because from different states (Kansas and Iowa), but maybe Leo and Paul Seiler. I'd probably skip that one.

    Emil and Steve Sitko from 1937 through 1949.

    Bob and Len Skoglund from 1935-46.

    Jack and Paul Snow in the 1960s, with Jack placing 5th in the 1964 Heisman.

    Seattle natives Jim, Dan and Chris Stone. Jim was the top rusher in 1980 after Phil Carter got hurt and had two 200-yard games.

    Mike and Willie Townsend in the 1970s. Mike led the nation in 1972 with 10 interceptions, and Willie led the Irish in receiving that same year.

    Tom and Joe Unis from Dallas in the 1970s.

    Adam and Charlie Walsh in the 1920s.

    Andy and Gerry Wisne in the 1990s

    Jim and Tom Wright from 1968-70.

    Chet and Elmer Wynne from 1918-27.

    Bill, Chuck and Jim Zloch from 1963-73.

    One or two might be omitted, but I think that's a pretty comprehensive list.

  • That's incredible...I would have never guessed that many. I too felt bad about forgetting the McCarthy brothers.

    I'll let you know of any posted on TOS not covered on this list, but I would be surprised if any were during the modern era.

  • Well here are some additional names posted on TOS, but nobody had a list as long as yours:

    Nick & Kevin Rassas
    Coy & Randall McGee (Max almost made 3 but went to Tulane)...not sure how "almost" was ascertained
    Kevin, Bill & Lee Hart (all sons of Leon Hart who'll probably be angry at us for omitting if he ever reads this :-)

    Still blown away by how many brothers there were. Some also noted cousins on TOS.

    This post was edited by borromini63 11 months ago

  • Saw Mike Golic Sr. answering questions about his boys on twitter. He mentioned Jake was going to take advantage of his 5th year and play football. Any idea where he's playing? Assuming it won't be ND, but guessing with the three transfers there's a chance he might be able to stay at ND.

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  • borromini63,

    I had Nick and Kevin marked down but mistakenly omitted them.

    I'm not sure about the Hart brothers. Kevin played behind Ken MacAfee on the 1977 national champs, but I can't recall Bill and Lee playing. They are not listed in the ND supplemental guide as having played, and I thought that was among the criterion in the question.

    Coy McGee had six carries for 146 yards in the 26-6 victory versus USC that clinched the 1946 national title, but I see no mention of Randall having ever played in a game.

  • star69,

    Jake is going to play a fifth season, but haven't heard yet where. It won't be ND, but he does want to get football out of his system at a school where he can see more extensive action.

    Among the 2008 recruits who exercised their fifth year option elsewhere were wideout Deion Walker and defensive lineman Hafis Williams at Massachusetts, Brandon Newman at Ball State, and of course Anthony McDonald and Dayne Crist at Kansas. Mike Ragone also used a sixth year at Kansas.

  • You right about the criteria. I don't know where the guys at TOS got their info...I'll ask.

  • Alright's the next trivia...

    1. Name the only Notre Dame student (and yes he graduated from ND) who never played football for the Irish, yet was drafted in the 8th round of the NFL draft. (1950s).

    2. This Irish center never won a letter at ND (1940s), yet was still drafted in the NFL draft. A few years later this non-letter winner started at center in the NFL championship game.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by borromini63 11 months ago

  • The second one is one of the great stories in Irish lore. Art Statuto was the fourth-team senior center on probably the greatest ND team of all time in 1947. The second-team center was George Strohmeyer, who was an All-American a year earlier but was beaten out the following year. Statuto never played enough to earn a monogram, but he started for the Los Angeles Rams in 1950, making it to the NFL title game before losing to Leon Hart's Detroit team, I believe.

    About 15 years ago, when he was still alive, Statuto was awarded an honorary monogram by ND Monogram Club in a nice gesture.

    The answer to No. 1 is Don Beck. He enrolled at ND after getting expelled for the infamous cheating scandal at West Point in 1950-51. He never did play for the Irish but was selected in the eighth round by the New York Giants.

  • Excellent! The Statuto story is fascinating.

  • I stand corrected on the 1950 NFL title game. It was Cleveland that defeated L.A. in the title game, 30-28, not Detroit.

  • Next round:

    1. This Irish player started some games as a Sophomore HB (the only year he lettered at ND), flunked out the next season but returned for a junior season-still at HB but not a letter winner. He was moved to DE in his senior year (under a new coach) although the best he could do was 2nd string and again didn't win a letter. Still this ND player had a nice 8-year career as a TE in the NFL.

    2. This Irish player was a 2nd string tackle in his only Irish season on the varsity and then had a 15-year pro career at guard for one NFL team (the last 10 as team Captain). Also made the Pro Bowl on occasion.