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Every time I turn around, the media says Manziel could make history by becoming the first "freshman" ever to win the Heisman.
Johnny Manziel enrolled at Texas A&M in 2011 and was on the traveling team while red-shirting behind starter Ryan Tannehill. He practiced with the team, learned the system and stepped in as a starter his sophomore year in 2012. He could join Tim Tebow as a "sophomore" who might win the Heisman.
When our esteemed board member Terry Hanratty helped the Irish win the 1966 national title, he was a "sophomore." He did not play as a freshman when he was enrolled at ND in 1965 because the NCAA had freshman ineligibility back then. He was universally known as a "sophomore" in 1966. What has changed?
Starting or playing for the first time in college does not mean you are a "freshman." Everett Golson also is a sophomore, not a freshman. So was Tom Clements in 1972, Joe Montana in 1975, Tony Rice in 1987 and Ron Powlus in 1994 even though they did not play as ND freshmen.
I guess at some point there may be a first "true" freshman after they annoint this freshman....
Maybe the whole RS thing has something to do with it. RS Freshman seems to be the popular term
5 Time POTW--Gringo Mafia Director of Guerrilla Warfare
I was a freshman 3 years in a row. They didn't call me "freshman", they just called me stupid.
Overrated sounds better anyway.
2 time POTW winner on some dates I can't remember from 2yrs ago at BNG,
POTW: 1/3/11- 1/9/11, 6/20/11-6/26/11
Thanks lou! This has been driving me crazy too. Just call them what they are until and unless they play a fifth year then differentiate them if you must.
How about we call him criminal.
He's a redshirt Freshman.. I call him as such
Attended: Michigan @ ND 2010 Southern Cal @ ND 2011 Stanford @ ND 2012 BCS National Title Game vs. Alabama-Jan 7, 2013 ND @ Air Force 2013
Redshirt freshman is fine. But just using "freshman" implies that he is in his first year with the program.
He is talented and he is the same as Golson is for us as far as what you call him. I have always called Everett a red shirt freshmen so Johnny football is the same.
This post was edited by Gulinias 20 months ago
Look man, how many times do I have to tell you that I'm sorry?
No down-vote please - thank you!
No down-vote por favor, gracias !
Gringo Mafia ~
amigo el número cuatro
Thanks Lou. That has been driving me crazy as well.
The hitman artist formerly known as Acemang
A&M players shouldn't be eligible for the heisman just off the simple fact that they are Texas A&M.
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