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Stanford coach David Shaw was less than pleased with a few calls that didn't go his way Saturday night. The final play of the game, which was reviewed, looked to be a very close decision. Shaw was also upset about a fan blowing a whistle during a crucial third down play on the opposite end of the field.
Mike Pereira, former VP of officials in the NFL and now a FOX columnist, thinks that the Irish got a couple of lucky breaks Saturday night.
Notre Dame was good, but also lucky in controversial overtime win vs. Stanford, FOX Sports rules analyst Mike Pereira says. Notre Dame was good, but also lucky vs. Stanford
Cry me a river, it's about time some breaks started bouncing Notre Dame's way.
LOL!! Exactly! We all know that 'breaks' or 'luck' are all part of the game - point here is that ND IS good 'enough' to be close 'enough' for those 'breaks' or 'luck' TO MATTER!! ND won and it deserved to - as for the 'cry me the river' crowd show them the door. BEAT BYU - GO IRISH!!
It's understandable to recall the plays that might work against you. However, Taylor was stopped for about half an hour before the ball finally crossed the plane. It is clear from player reaction that the whistle blew before the plane was broken. Further, it's virtually impossible that his elbow was not on the ground as his arms unfolded into the straight, stretching position. The clincher is that the PAC 12 review officials upheld the call on the field.
I can count three horrible calls that could have swung the tide against the Irish. First, Golson's foot was clearly about half out of bounds before he fumbled as we were driving in the third quarter. There was a blatant, "double tackle" hold on Stanford's last field goal drive that officials ignored. Brindza was run into after kicking his final field goal. Running into the kicker would have given us a first and goal from the two and a half with 20 seconds to play. It was fourth and two at the five. That's plenty of time to run three plays and still kick another field goal.
Football is football. It's never perfect. Whining about a call at the end of a game is the refuge of the weak. Each team has 60 minutes to win a football game. We didn't lost to USC because of the Bush push. We lost because of an unlucky bounce when Fasano's fumble at around the Trojan 25 stayed in bounds. We lost because of an unlucky bounce when Leinart's fumble before the Bush push stayed IN bounds. And, we lost because we gave up a huge play on fourth and about a hundred.
The crew on the field was from the Pac 12, so i guess they can talk with the people who run that conference and complain.
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I thought about that last play and am convinced that the whistle blew to stop the play. I watched it and before taylor reaches for the goal line the refs are running in to stop the play. You can clearly see our guys starting to celebrate. With that said forward progress was stopped and you don't want to leave a player on top of bodies vulnerable to a hit. So Stanford and even my USC buddies can take a walk. Go Irish!
As is typical with outcomes such as these, the media and many fans allow the entire game to get reviewed through the prism of that play, letting emotion override what may have been clear most of that game. So folks are reduced to playing "dueling bad calls" rather than calling things for what they are.
The officials on the field were Pac-12, NDD; the replay officials were Big East. No matter how many times they looked at it, they couldn't overturn what the on-field officials called; ball game us.
Personally, I'll cut Shaw some slack about the call itself and the moved spot. Anger in the moment can do that; my biggest problem with the presser was the ending; calling attention to it and then saying it happens alot.
However, take the emotion out of it; ND out-gained Stanford by 70, out-rushed Stanford as well. Sloppy or not, Stanford only scored 6 points on offense; our offense generated 13 points of offense. Game was close because of turnovers; ND, when it's best was required of it, stepped up and made the plays necessary to win. Even Stanford's beat writer at the SF Chronicle didn't think Stanford deserved to win.
At the end of the day, Shaw could have been creative. He could've learned his lesson from that Ok State game and tried something different. You leave the game in the refs hands, you run the risk of these types of outcomes.
At least this way, Kelly can keep the lid on over-confidence gig going. Much easier to prep for BYU when half the country thinks you've already lost a game....
How can Periera say that there wasn't a whistle on the last play? Many times you can't hear that on a reply. Sounds like Periera has a bias.
Why would i ever care what Shaw thinks about the calls and the game. He is quite far from a neutral observer.
First - 'Breaks' and 'Luck' are part of the game - both sides got their 'fair' share. Second ND was good 'enough' TO BE close 'enough' to win. Third Stanford HAD 4 trys from the 4yd line AND didn't get it done. As an ND fan over +40yrs I've see 'Breaks' and 'Luck' go both ways for the Irish - no way this was an 'flagrant' miscall - ND won this fair and square - this was no 'gimme' win! Both teams missed fgs and squandered scoring chances. Those who think ND got a 'Break' and didn't deserve this win either aren't ND diehards or haven't seen many fb games! This ND squad is legit GOOD and we ND fans don't even have to argue our case that they are AND deserve this win! NOW lets go beat BYU - GO IRISH!!
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This^^^ pretty much sums it up. Ref is running in with his whistle in his mouth. Game over. Quit whining Stanford and the rest of the college football haters. Irish are back.
Pereira hails from stockton california and went to college at santa clara which I believe is just down the road from palo alto so of course he thinks the cali team got jobbed. I happen to disagree with him on both counts for much of the same reasons that have been enumerated ad infinitum.
As far as shaw he should be more concerned with the fact his defense couldn't get off the field on third down on more than one occasion on notre dames final drive of regulation and in overtime.
Blah blah blah. Let the haters hate and the "experts" ramble. Taylor was stopped. It was reviewed and upheld. His elbow touched. Theres zero controversy despite whatever the geniuses as ESPN and msn, etc. want to happen. The Irish are 6-0 and they can all kiss my backside.
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Stop---Mike Pereira without question has a bias which he did not
disclose in his article. From February to June, 2011, he was
co-ordinator of officials for the PAC-12 conference and when he
left that post, he was retained by the new co-ordinator as a
consultant to the PAC-12.
Two things: first, before writing an article (he obviously wrote
the piece within seconds of the game's end), he should have
discussed the matter with the PAC-12 officials who did the
game. Second, he should have disclosed his bias, as in
hello, folks, I am associated with the PAC-12 and here is my
opinion, for what it is worth which is a big fat
Once again, an attempt at fame at ND's expense. The guy's
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All j hear from the trees is blah blah blah and that huge breeze that is the irish dee blowing thru that o line when we needed it most. Go irish!!!
I'm sorry are they confusing us with people that give a sh*t
Who cares what anyone thinks.
Just do your job, block, catch, run, pass
And BEAT BYU!
This post was edited by WE ARE ND76 18 months ago
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