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20 pts against Purdue and MSU, 13 points against Michigan and Stanford ( discounting overtime). Normally, those point totals in this football era would be 2, 3, or 4 loses. But, this year, it has been enough and our defense can be relied upon, but this offense needs to put more points up on the scoreboard to insure us against special teams breakdowns, opponents scoring on a short field after a turnover by the offense etc. With our current offensive line, and a young QB, can something be done to get more point production ? if so, what would you like to see done ?
First thing I would do is send in a locked play on our first play of our opening drive. We need to stop calling time outs or getting penalties on our first drive. Just a designed running play or short pass to get the butterflies out and set the tempo.
Have the QB not hold the ball for 5-8 sec every play against mediocre pass defenses.
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I wrote a post a while back about golson wondering if he perhaps thought and learned differently than others. I thought about this because he is a musician who learns by ear. This type of person often thinks with a part of the brain than many of us cant. It's a gift.
I believe that you have to let golson make his own plays, within reason. He always seems to do better when the play breaks down. I think Kelly is being a bit to strict with him. Another post made reference to how he keeps seeing golson walk away from Kelly when he returns to the sideline. I believe golson is probably a bit tired of hearing the analytical stuff.
Kelly= a process, unconscious competence (repetitive actions until they can be done without thought), analytical thinking.
Golson= musician, learning by hearing and doing, non-analytical way of thinking.
Just let golson play more on his own.
This post was edited by bill2018 21 months ago
Throw the ball to Eifert every time
I believe the lack of production by the offense yesterday is due to a number of factors.
First, the offensive line did not have there best game, but definitely had their moments. Second, Golson had a poor game, and certainly had too many turnovers. Third, Coach Kelly seemed to get away from plays that were successful (the running backs averaged nearly 5 yards per carry, yet only had 27 carries and the swing pass to running backs was very successful against Stanford each of the last two years).
I think you are on to something here bill2018. I watched the Onward show after the game and it looked to me like a lack of connection between Golson and Kelly. Hard to really tell within the context of the show, but he does do the same thing when he comes off the field. The bottom line is he has to be able to find the obviously wide open recievers we see running alone on the replays- regardless of his creative gifts.
Sit Golson down
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At this point in his development I agree with what Jesse Palmer said last night and that's that the Irish have to start Tommy Rees because he makes our offense run so much better due to the fact that he is light years ahead of where Golson is right now with presnap reads ... It wouldn't only help our pass offense but Tommy helps our run offense by putting us in a better place to succeed by his reads.... I can't believe I'm saying this but I would love to see Tommy get a start just to see how the offense runs...
This post was edited by Cary 21 months ago
bill2018 - That's an interesting point you make about Golson the musician/artist. As someone with a musical background, I can agree with what you're saying to a certain degree. Golson isn't a "studied" musician - what he does is improvisational, learning by ear, etc. And that's what we see on the field - the creative approach. When I was younger, I would have considered myself much that way when it came to music. But through high school and certainly in college (where I majored in music and took all sorts of theory, history, and methods courses), I saw a major change in the way I approached a piece of music. While at my core I still rely on that intuition, I am a MUCH better musician because of the "academics" of music. I now understand all the subtle differences in style, I can sight read almost anything on the first or second read, and after years of practicing those things, they have become second nature. That's why you repeat the same thing over and over - it does eventually become habit, even if it seems tedious as hell at the time.
I think Golson has the ability to do the same thing with football, but relying only on his intuition is not going to set him up for success longterm. Sure, he's got enough raw skills and creativity to be better than most guys would at his position, but he has to learn the academics of football, too. That doesn't mean his core approach will ever change, but he's going to be a whole lot better if he'll put in the time to learn about his reads and coverages and all of those technical elements, too. Kelly is obviously an academic-first guy in his approach, and maybe there is some communication stuff going on there, but that doesn't mean Kelly is in the wrong for pushing that so much. It also doesn't mean that Golson is in the wrong, because he's just going back to what he knows. That being said, he's going to have to move past intuition and make the mechanics and academics become almost as second nature as his intuition.
Cary - I've never been a Rees basher, but he started the Miami game without much success. That doesn't mean it couldn't have gotten better if he'd had more than one drive to settle in, but I'm not so sure Rees as starter is the answer. Actually, at this point, I don't think either of these guys can do it completely on their own, which is why we're lucky to have both of them instead of one or the other.
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Stop focusing on minimizing the turnovers and start letting Golson just play. I seems that he is so focused on not throwing an interception, that he just doesn't take a chance. It is rare at this level that a reciever is going to be so open that it is a truely safe throw, so sometimes you have to take a chance and see if your WR can make a play. Just like the throw to Eiffert for the touchdown, he wasn't open, but he made a play and got a TD.
The players are there, with Golson at QB, and it is just about letting the players make plays.
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I don't know who said it but there is no way you start tommy. He is fine where he is. You can not have an offense walking around looking at its feet. You have to look forward. Golson is fine people, good lord. Does he turn the ball over sure. But he is learning, last time I checked last season tommy was learning and we were in worse shape then than we are now.
Good god this board is insane.
Spread the field 4 wr look for one on ones and let Golson's arm do the rest.
Run some read zone
And have a power set you can both run out of and play action.
Stanford and a bunch of other teams do not have a million plays in their play book. They perfect the ones they have. It's a process.
Let Golson clean up some stuff and the o will be humming.
I didn't see people complaining at navy or with mich st. Let the guy make some mistakes, you people act like if he is not throwing for 24-25 300 yards and 4 touchdowns with 100 yards rushing he must be benched...
Last year people couldn't wait to get tommy off the field now they are screming for him to come back cause he is the "safe" pick. Those same people who say he is a safe pick are the same one that said we needed to take some risks and take out lumps developing new talent (Goslon*)
Give it a rest people, the guys that are paid millions of dollars to do this will do their jobs.
Ps- I think next season we see Kiel start with Golson taking over when needed... A la Golson and tommy.
We need to establish some kind of a screen, bubble, a slip screen, now or some kind of quick passing game to riddick , GA3, wood and neal. These guys can make people miss in space and would allow for chunk plays of 7-12 yards. This is what the offense is missing IMO
I think our focus is in the wrong place personally. Sure, we could change a few things structurally and formationally,and personell wise etc etc...
I still find it to be a problem that we have some organizational problems on the O-Line and the sequence of our responsibillties. Passing downs are nerve wracking if any LB creeping is going on. We are at times easily fooled double teaming 1 guy and letting another free. As for our run blocking, its better than our pass pro, yet Im wondering about our zone blocking vs man scheme.
I think we should expect pressure often. Until our Line shows a "not so fast, we've got a helmet to helmet on this blitz" EG can really make people pay for it and our receivers show that we can get some YAC, blitzing ND will be a low risk-high return proposition.
I was surprised there were not more screens to keep the pass rush honest.
That, and teach Golson to tuck it in when he is running.
Oh, and slide, baby, slide.
We don't have a Jonas Gray who was so good at blocking last year. The RB, if even in the back field, gives someone a shoulder chip at best and are off on their pass route.
Oh, and get Golic to stop being off sides.
Stuff like that.
We do not have a very good offense, yet. I keep sensing that there is a whole bunch of potential that is getting experience and will keep getting better. Starting with Golson, of course.
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i'm just "fine" with our "low avg" scoring. hey, in part this is because kelly has finally realized we need to pound the rock and control the clock more. i suppose we could air it out 45 times a game and maybe score more points, but getting into a pissing contest could also mean more losses. ya don't want to try and outscore okla by slinging it. you beat teams like that by a keeping their O on the sidelines and a stingy D. stay the course bk.......
Run the ball.
Stop the run.
You win, or lose, up front.
I'm going to side with Coach on this. Ball control is our key, since our offense may/should continue to improve, but I wouldn't be looking for a breakthrough moment this year where we suddenly are prolific on O. Maybe we could mix it up within the concept of ball control to include a few more screens, maybe some option, a little tight-end over the middle (ghost of Mark Bavaro, anyone?). Additionally, we have had success in earlier games when we go hurry-up for a series, but we haven't seen that in the past couple of games.
I believe in BK. I believe in this team. I don't think we'll see much that is new this weekend, though. Anything that we can save to unveil at OK, I think we will save. Element of surprise is like the 12th man when you are on the road.
Onward to victory.
Thanks Paulora... one thing I left out that you touched on ("wouldnt be looking for a breakthrough moment"). We dont have players that can get YACs(yards after catch just in case). Someone that can shake in the secondary and turn 5 into 15 or more. TJ put a heck of a move in the last game. Riddick is good for an occasional juke. But by and large, we dont. Verdict is still out on Neal, we'll see. Of course, we continue to recruit this type of player.
But until that day arrives, we must be focused on ball control like most of us are saying. Which means: meet your helmet to helmet assignments on the Oline, keep it balanced, spread it around, run the QB now and again(options, zone read, draws, scrambles), short passes, find matchup problems for chunk plays.
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