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No matter what phase of rebuilding ND might have been in, long-time followers always seemed to believe prior to a season that the Irish would be a viable contender for the national crown "with a few breaks." Anything less than 9-2 or 10-2 would be unacceptable.
This is my 41st season, and while there will always be Polyannas who believe 12-0 or 13-0 every year, I sense even among the older faction a hope for 8-4, praise for 9-3 and a Holy Grail at 10-2 (almost everyone seems to be conceding losses at Norman and LA).
Is this the least optimistic you've been prior to a season, or was it 2007, even after 9-3 and 10-3 campaigns the two previous years? If so, why? Is it because:
A. Psychologically, if you have low or no expectations, you won't be disappointed again (while deep down hoping for that miraculous 1964 or 1988 campaign).
B. You view 2012 as a "setting the table" year for 2013, so you are biding your time.
C. You have entered the realm of "learned helplessness" and believe it will be difficult for ND to ever be an elite top-5 program again.
D. Other. Explain.
Option c. No top five knish for foreseeable future.
I have to put myself more in category A. This season is definitely one of the better all around ND teams in the last 10-15 years, but they are still very questionable at QB. With the schedule they have and possible below average QB play, it will be tough to reach 8 wins. If they find a good QB from this group, 8 or 9 wins are possible. No game is automatic loss, but I don't see more than 3 automatic wins on this schedule. Also, ND has usually to lose at least one game that they have no business losing and haven't found a way to win one they have no business winning.
Doesn't compare to how I felt going into 2007, but I didn't think it would turn out as bad as it did. I was hoping for .500. This season doesn't even make a ripple on my optimism/pessimism curve. I approach it with hopeful curiosity, if there is such a thing. I look forward to watching the defense play (at least the front seven), and with no expectations about the secondary, I might be surprised. That pretty much describes quarterback, too. It's just one more step in a process whose timetable was set back because of the quarterback situation. I will be looking for benchmarks, particularly turnovers, and ability to win games they should, and do it convincingly when they're supposed to. Also, they'll probably lose games to teams like Oklahoma and USC, but I don't want to see them get pushed around. And I want to see them go toe-to-toe with Stanford. I can't look at it just as a season -- it has to be a springboard to more success, so I need signs that it's going to happen.
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I am a definite C. ND is mediocre at best; in fact I think Notre Dame is cursed. We are an 8-4 team and that is about as good as it will get in the foreseeable future. Doldrums are our lot, I intend to spend my fall hunting watching Irish football is to painful to watch.
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I've been following ND for over 45 yrs AND I always look forward to every season. I like what I see for the upcoming campaign - ND has talent and if they can cut down the timely miscues(yes they have other concerns ie QB etc) they could have one of those "Where did that come from" seasons - I like ND going into Norman & LA as underdogs. ND needs a few quality Ws - it's been awhile - so why not 2012? What disturbs me is not 'showing up' ala that 1st quarter vs SC our traditional rival - I find that more bothering than the loss. Really like that Manti & Eifert are returning for their final season(not going pro) - tells me that there's much that's right with ND's program. As always GO IRISH!
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I would say I'm mostly in the A category, but i told myself after last year, I would never get my hopes up again, so I'm also in the C category.
Lou, I have just about reached the point where I wish college sports would just go away. Cheating coaches and boosters, pampered and stupid athletes who have no interest in an education; what is there to like? As for this season, I'm not expecting a lot and I think we'll all know what kind of coach Kelly really is about half way through. The really disappointing thing for me is that I don't see "the next great coach" out there. The guy who always held ND as his dream job and had the character and expertise to succeed at the toughest job in sports. It does seem like the fates have abandoned ND.
I would put myself in category A right now. I will always deep down think we are going to be good but this team/program has to start to do it on the field, and quit making excuses,etc. Until they finally do it on the field for a whole year i will continue to just expect to be disappointed like we have been for the last 20 years i guess. The longer it goes the more i head towards category C. It is just time this team/program gets it done on the field. I am tired of living in the past. We need to step up and get winning again. No more excuses.
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I haven't followed college football in the past the way that I do now, with the inundation of information (or lack there of). My 2012 expectations used to be based solely on the performance of the team in 2011 and the amount of returning players and the quality of the back-ups... based solely on their performance from the previous year.
Now, I am almost forced into an 'educated' pessimism rather than a 'polyanna' optimism. It is an interesting phenomena that I am trying to adjust to. There are points that I almost wish I had never discovered Blue and Gold and I could live my polyanna existence, as it pertained to CFB, but I cannot put the genie back in the lamp. I am now an addict for information about Notre Dame's football team and the players.
I think the reason I am more pessimistic than I have been is that there are way too many questions still hanging out there. I might get optimistic if someone not named Tommy Rees is named the starting QB... but there is still a chance he will be. I'm not sure how excited for the upcoming season I would be if John Goodman is named a starter... because that means one of the younger guys hasn't stepped up. In the past, I would have loved to have a 5th year guy be named starter and given a shot... now, after I have read about the potential of D. Daniels, I would peg him as another Deion Walker if he isn't the starter.
I am more pessimistic than I have ever been about ND football because I have too much information to be a Polyanna. It kind of sucks.
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Put it this way, I quit reading all ND football articles about a week after the Spring Game. I log onto this site for about 3minutes a day and can't really get into it at all so I quickly leave (this thread sparked my interest). I just can't seem to get into it right now. That doesn't mean I see doom and gloom this season nor do I see National Champion written on the wall, I'm pretty much done talking about it.
I know what a realistic record would be this year and I've also gone on record as saying that Brian Kelly had better accomplish more than that or we'll all see the wheels slowly come off. No more talking, it's time for me to see the ground move and ND Football to show some results.
I don't know, maybe I'll feel better in August.
I'm actually excited for the season to play out. The best I expect to happen is 10-2, with 9-3 more likely. I really don't think they will do worse than 9-3 this season. And while I can accept that, it's not really satisfying. More like OK they're making progress, this is good. So I guess I fall into category B as well. But no matter how awful they are for however long it lasts, I will never miss a game if it's televised and I'll be more than happy to spend that ridiculous amount for tickets every season. And i will buy 2 jerseys this year to make up for IrishImpact being a fair weather fan on us. Which I can't believe you admitted.
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I would say I have guarded optimism for the year.
I was much more pessimistic heading into other seasons, and they ended up not too good.
I don't expect that for 2012.
But 9-3 would be a good year facing this schedule. You never know what teams will end up being better/worse than expected. And it is time ND broke out of the slump we are in.
It has been awhile since we had a college coach that has won consistently with college kids. BK knows how to get it done. And this is the year the turnaround starts.
It won't be a 1964 or 1988 campaign, but I expect to be pleasantly surprised.
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D. For me it's as simple as this: we don't have a quarterback. The quarterback play held us back last year and we didn't seem to make a whole lot of progress this spring. I'm just worried that next year will be too much like this year, where the defense kept us in every game and the offense let us down. I would be very optimistic about this season if Rees had played clean all spring and not been arrested or if Hendrix or Golson showed a better command of the offense.
I really think last year was a fluke with QB. To have that many turnovers no matter who was playing is unexplainable. Whoever gets the nod will do fine, even if they have to just be a game manager
You have to take the good with the bad…Past experience should be used as guide post not a hitching post.
Every Fall rain or shine when the leaves begin to change color and you hear the playing of the Victory March you can’t help but get excited for the start of a new season. Many of us wait for the first game like a small child on Christmas morning dreaming of yet another NC to end the season and a perfect unbeaten record. Visions of long touchdown runs or pass plays, interceptions and fumbles bouncing in the hands of a favorite Irish player. Touchdown Jesus waves his arms signaling a score and the Golden Dome shinning brighter than ever with a smile on the Lady’s face…those were the days.
These are but a few expectations that I have every season…when reality sets in I hope for that miracle that at the end of each game the score favors the Irish. Expect the worst and be happy with a victory. Irish fans don’t want to talk about next year…leave that for Cub fans. You have to believe that one day hopefully sooner than later ND Football will be on the top of the polls again.
8 wins .... Sad to say that's a goal... But that's the reality. No need for talk. This team, this coach, this program needs to win football games. No losing to teams we should be crushing. The last coach lost games like that. As a fan and season ticket holder I am tired of the excuses especially from the fan base. Last year with the talent we had was a waste. That's fact. This year I wanna see Manti, Stephon, Jamoris and Louis play some great defense. I hope for 8 wins.... Anything more, I will gladly raise my expectations and optimism for 2013. Anything less with losses to sub par teams and Coach Kelly's leash gets tighter and shorter. Lou and staff know that after year 3 we know what we have.....
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Every year, numerous friends, acquaintances ask me "What about the Irish
this year." So, this is what I have been saying since the spring game:
Navy and Purdue should be wins; (2-0);
Michigan State is not as strong at QB and lost
their best defender to the NFL but, I'll say a loss; (2-1);
Michigan--a win, although Michigan will be stronger
than last year; (3-1);
Miami--a win; Miami is still a year away; (4-1);
Stanford--a win; No Luck and some key offensive line
losses; still tough but enough; (5-1)
BYU--a win; but, you never know playing a team for
first time in a while; (6-1)
Okla--a loss; (6-2);
Pitts--a win; (7-2);
BC--a win; (8-2);
Wake--a win; (9-2);
USC--a loss; I hate it too but we are not there yet; (9-3).
Obviously, if I go pessimist, we lose to Michigan, Stanford; Miami and perhaps
BYU for a 5-7 season; if I go optimist, we beat one of Michigan State, Oklahoma
or USC (I prefer USC) for a 10-2 record.
The issue to me is singular: the QB situation and how much Everett and Andrew
are maturing this summer in preparation for the August camp. ND is stronger across
the offensive and defensive lines, at linebacker, in the hybrid running back-slot
position and in the safety-linebacker drop down hybrid than it has been. Is it
strong enough? I don't know but I am hopeful.
The QB position is, to me, where it is all at---if we have a relatively competent
signal-caller who can avoid interceptions and make "some-thing out of nothing"
upon occasion, my optimism rises. If the QB situation remains as it was last
year, then the pessimism gauge rises accordingly. To some extent, it is
One other point. Under Lou Holtz, ND had excellent special teams--not simply
in the return game but in the punting and kicking game (i.e. field position).
This too will, in my view, become a major barometer--can our special teams
keep us from losing the field position battle and, on the positive side,
generate some electricity and even produce scores.
I have not mentioned defensive back--especially cornerback simply
because, I am sorry, but our play last year at that position was
terrible and almost anything will be an improvement.
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C. hemy, your friends actually stand there and listen to that whole answer? I just say God only knows, but 9 wins would be nice.
This post was edited by CactusMike 23 months ago
You guys all suck. I am an A.... And we will go 13-0
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