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I don't think I've ever been as disappointed in those who call themselves Notre Dame men. That so many have been so quick to judge a young man they have idolized as the glue and spiritual leader of the team for whom they pray is a disgrace. It is proof, clear and simple, that most who worship this team's mantel of victory do not deserve it. Or, perhaps I exaggerate. Perhaps those who judge Manti T'eo are not true Notre Dame at all. Perhaps they are only those fair weather friends and summer soldiers of whom Payne spoke so eloquently in the past. Whatever our OPINIONS, let's consider the real facts.
First, Manti T'eo is a young man of great faith. I do not agree with the doctrines of his faith, because the Mormon church views Jesus as a created being rather than as a member of the three fold God of creation. For our purposes, that is neither her nor there. The point is that young Mormons are raised to value their sexual purity. That doesn't mean that all are virgins when they marry, but they are certainly taught that they should be.
If we know this, why should we be shocked at the prospect of online relationships. Is it not easier to guard your sexual purity in a long distance relationship? Such relationships remove the temptations of physical contact, and are therefore not only acceptable, but perhaps, at least in some cases, preferred. I know several young people in my church who are 18 and have never dated. They are determined that they will marry as virgins, and see no reason to expose themselves to the temptation of having physical contact before they are ready to marry, or with those whose actions, beliefs or attitudes would disqualify them as potential marriage partners.
As a young man of faith, T'eo is probably also a man of great trust. It's one thing to be warned that the world is dangerous, and that Satan is like a roaring lion seeking someone to devour. It's another to really embrace those concepts when you have been surrounded, all your life, by people who have only your best interest at heart.
Manti T'eo was raised by a large family, and a large church congregation. The people he encountered were trustworthy. Until he ran into people who wished to harm him, or use him, or humiliate him with no reason that would ever make any sense to him, why should he not trust an identity he assumed was real, and a friendship that had been forged through countless hours of online and telephone interactions.
So, we have a young man who zealously desires to guard his sexual purity, and who has no reason to believe anyone with whom he is involved desires to hurt him personally. Those things make him vulnerable to individuals who, through varying degrees of sicknesses of their own, do desire to hurt and humiliate him even though he has never hurt them in any way, and even though they don't even know him.
So, T'eo begins to communicate with someone online. Because of that communication, a plot is hatched. The plot is to ensnare him in a relationship that will make him look foolish. Why someone makes him want to foolish, we don't yet know. Perhaps it's because the perpetrators want to make his faith look silly. Perhaps it's because they can't handle the idea of someone being a real hero. Perhaps it's because they hate Notre Dame. In the end, the reason makes no difference. All the possibilities leave the singular reality that we have some sick puppies who want to hurt someone, or some institution for no good reason. And, they're willing to lie and cheat and steal to do it. Yet, somehow, even those who call themselves Notre Dame men blame T'eo.
Do any of us really believe that Manti T'eo had any part in creating a phony relationship to gain publicity and approval? Do we really believe he did this to create a chord of compassion that might propel him to the Heisman? If you believe this, why? What has Manti ever done that revealed any such flaw in his character?
Manti T'eo is the victim in this little opus. To be sure, he would have been best served by coming clean the moment he learned of it. But, are there are any among us who would not have embarrassed by a thing like this? And, are there any that have never concealed embarrassing factoids as long as we could?
There's an old saying whose message is, "Never scorn another for what you yourself would do." Unfortunately, we don't like to live by it. Instead, we punish others for our own weakness. If we can pretend that we could never be ensnared by such a trap, or that we would have quickly leaped into the humiliation that came with it, we can feel superior.
I am not angry at the press. I expect dirt from them. I'm not angry at the perpetrators. Though I don't know them, they are obviously twisted individuals who are capable of truly despicable things. I am not even angry at other outsiders who are blaming Manti. But, I am disappointed in those members of the Notre Dame faithful who have abandoned Manti in his first hour of need. He has given us so much these past few years. He was a beacon of hope in 2010. He was a spiritual leader in 2011. He was the heart and soul of the first Notre Dame team to play for a championship in 25 years in 2012. And, he was abused by some low life reprobates with nothing better to do, and with not an ounce of the conscience and soul that he displays daily.
I stand firmly behind this young man. I am praying for him daily. I hope you will all do the same. Character is measured not in times when things go well, but when times get tough. The question in all this is not about Manti's character. It's about ours.
This post has been edited 6 times, most recently by Mr Rice128364 15 months ago
Can we just rename the POTW award to the Mr. Rice POTW Award and then pass it on to others? He consistently brings it and brings it strong every single post!
This post was edited by WE ARE ND76 15 months ago
Well said! These past few days have said a lot about the society we live in and frankly I feel sorry for my young daughters.
In the court of public opinion you are guilty until proven innocent, no question about that. I also think, in the era of Tiger Woods and Lance Armstrong, the media is owed a great deal of the blame. They build these men up to almost superhero status and tear them down like deposed dictators. It's only human nature to join the in chorus when everyone is singing the same tune.
It's disgusting. At this point you'd think Te'o not only made up Lennay Kekua - he murdered her! OJ Simpson got this much attention.
Well said Mr.Rice ive never commented on this matter until i could hear Manti speak.Even after JS had that presser on Wed.i needed to hear what Manti had to say before i developed an opinion. All along i believed in my heart no way he could do this but i did start to have some doubts lately. Im glad he spoke last night finally and could put some of this to rest yet people will say he is in on it still. I support and believe Manti and hopefully this young man will grow from this ugly incident and become a better person because of it..God Bless Manti.
Great thoughts, Tony. I will say however, I believe most ND people were supportive of Te'o.
In my opinion, most of the ill-will has come from the outside.
You are absolutely, positively correct.
I truly wish I could think and then write like Mr. Rice. You, Sir, are a special person and this time, as in most times, you wrote exactly what I think.
Thank you! POTW.
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There goes my POTW again but this is true. There is no way Manti was any part f the hoax, the guy was just very gullible, naive and too trusting. It doesnt change my opinion of him at all, he will remain in the top 5 or so of my favorite players to play for ND and remains close to the top,as a person as well.
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Well, my starchy friend, you have once again managed to take it to the house. It's interesting -- you are obviously a man of deep faith; I am a man who dwells in the realm of probabilities. Yet, so often here, we find ourselves winding up at the same junction. For those who chose to doubt Manti, or even abandon him, my message comes from the vantage point of one who plays the odds: wait and absorb information. If you have plenty of time to make your bet, use it. They don't pay more because you get your bet in early. Unlike the press, it is better to be right than first.
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It doesn't get any better than this. Thank you Mr. Rice. The
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Very well done Mr. Rice. I agree with you 100%. As a strong man of faith, it made sense and I still support and love Manti Te'o just as I did all year long.
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Very nice post, particularly the part about Manti's faith. I was at the Syracuse game '08 when 5 star Manti took his official visit to ND. Weather was horrible--cold, wet & snowy. Football team was horrible--possibly the sloppiest least-focused game I'd ever seen from a Notre Dame team. Fans were horrible--snow balls thrown at players. Manti left at half-time for the return trip half-way round the world. Later when he signed with Irish I was struck by one explanation of his choice--Notre Dame was a place of faith. I think anyone who closely followed Manti's career as a student & football player at Notre Dame kept faith in him as this whole story unfolded. I am, however, less forgiving than Mr.Rice--not so much with regards to the mixed-up, perverse con-artists, or wavering Notre Dame fans, but with regard to ESPN, ABC, CBS, Fox, and NBC. They were the ones who really spun the narrative to the top of the wheel, making sure any come-down would be precipitous, hurtful, and chock-full of juicy, if speculative, sound-bites. God bless Manti and keep him strong.
And I too am waiting anxiously to hear from him himself. May he and we all be at peace.
If I could have said it I couldn't have said it better myself. I had confidence that Manti was not involved in perpetrating this hoax and is also not this delusional character that many of these network psychologist say he is. They have never talked to Manti and they base their opinions on the inaccurate story the press has put forward up go this point.My prayers go out to Manti to help give him the strength to get through this mess . Judging by last nights interview with Shapp I think he's exibiting she strength we have come to expect from him and have witnessed throughout his time at Notre Dame.
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I have been crafting a post since this whole mess started, it’s not as elegant as Mr. Rice but along the same path!...Manti owes us nothing more, period!!!. As a matter of fact, all he ever owed us was to give it his all in the classroom and on the field…MISSION ACOMPLISHED!!....All of you calling for the ‘ real story’ or ‘ the whole truth’, better hope Deadspin doesn’t find the key to the closet your skeletons are hidden in….I’m not saying every poster is a bad person, just saying that some of you are taking a hypocritical view of the situation….How many people have ever cheated on taxes, embellished their resume to get that coveted job, cheated on a girlfriend in school, gone over the speed limit, or just told a little white lie for whatever reason??? …..I have said a number of times on this site that I’m not overly religious, but I did grow up in a religious household….One of the messages from those early years that has always served me well is, LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE!!!!.....Manti owes me nothing, I live in a glass house…
Is Mr. Rice actually Tony Rice as someone else suggested in this thread?
Where is that mind blown pic when you need it.
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I have it on good authority that I, Mr. Rice, am not Mr. Rice. I just loved him as a player and admire him as a man. He reminds me of how wrong I can be, as I never really thought the option offense would cut it at Notre Dame.
I didn't think so but then other posters referenced you as such. Thanks for your great contributions.
Well stated - relationships can be a hazardous undertaking and being a 20 year old coming from an island culture with a deep spiritual component now being the focus of leadership on a national resurgent Notre Dame team well this is pressure AND you've got a relationship with someone you have NEVER met but telling Dad that MIGHT be a stretch sooo you tell him you've met and NOW this poses a spiritual problem OH COME ON let's give Teo the benefit of youthful indiscretion and call it a day - he's a 20 year for goodness sake - this is a page 10 story if it weren't for NOTRE DAME b/c THIS IS the real crux of this story(I heard from a brainless ND hater that ND should be put on sanctions talk about stupid)! Teo came forth and told his part - close it and move on! GO IRISH!
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