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“Eddie Vanderdoes will not be attending the University of Notre Dame. We did not release him from his national letter of intent in order to protect the integrity of that very important program, but we have worked with the Vanderdoes family so that Eddie can continue his education this fall at a school closer to his home. We understand Eddie’s interest in remaining closer to his family and wish him well.”
The integrity of The University of Notre Dame is intact. No point in having him if he doesn't want to be here. It is his loss but he will probably never realize exactly what he has lost. I, for one, wish him well.
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It astounds me how everyone treats UCLA like it's a community college. If being ranked a few slots behind ND -- and ahead of in some rankings -- along with being in the top-2 public schools in the country is "throwing his life away" then sign me up.
I think he'll be just fine...I'm an ND alum but having SoCal weather, social life and girls around me while getting a great education would NOT suck.
Westwood is a terrible place to go to school.
Hollywood, the beach, Beverly Hills...
We can't release him. You have to give these kids somewhat of a deterrent in changing their minds a week before summer school!! What is the point of signing?? Hell making signing a day before school starts!! Why is February such a magical day?? Make it December for those that want to enroll early and then June 1st for the rest!!
I'm a Notre Dame graduate too and agree with your message.
What does suck is losing Vanderdoes, because defensive line has consistently been the most difficult position for ND to recruit the past 20 or so years.
Believe me I am not knocking UCLA. Its a fine institution and definitely has attributes as described above. I do, however, believe the overall ND experience is unique. I also admit I am biased. I also wish him nothing but the best.
Ev wanted to go to best business school. Ucla doent have one. He just had buyer remorse. He won't beable to play football tll fa ll of 2014. This opens dl scholly. Notre dame will be fine.
pretty informative for those who are getting mixed up with all the transfer rules now and how they pertain to EV -- myself included.
I agree that Eddie is not "throwing his life away" by going to UCLA.
I also agree that UCLA is a fine academic institution. But, that's
not exactly the issue----the issue is how good a job does the school
do in educating its football players to the point
where they can be successful and earn a meaningful education
symbolized by a degree.
That's the question. And, the answer is, in UCLA's case, not all that well. Fully 40%
(higher for African-Americans) of UCLA's football team does not participate
in UCLA's educational program to maticulate through the program successfully
and emerge with a degree. That's almost half---and, so the question can be
asked---in which half will EV land. The half that graduate or the half
And as to that central issue, Notre Dame with a graduation rate
approaching 98% for its African-American football players clearly,
without question, is a superior place to be if the question is----where
is it more likely that a football player who happens to be African-American
will be provided with the academic support necessary for him to succeed
in acquiring a meaningful education symbolized by the earning of a
UCLA is a wonderful school with a fine faculty providing outstanding
educational benefits. The point is, the school's benefits pass by
almost 1 out of every 2 football players enrolled at the institution
and, if you happen to be African-American, your chances of receiving
a meaningful education symbolized by a degree are even more
You are correct--UCLA is far more than a community college. Only,
don't tell that to the football team.
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Dan, Will he be able to practice at UCLA this fall? Is he on scholarship at UCLA or does he have to pay his own way? Or is that not entirely clear at this point?
I am confused because this seems to be possibly effectively releasing him from his LOI and instead applying quasi-transfer restrictions (but the consensus seems to be he is losing a year of eligibility so I am back to being confused).
It appears to essentially be a transfer. He'll sit out a year while practicing with the team. Notre Dame has the power to block him from transferring to a specific school if they choose. If they wanted to block him from going to UCLA he would not be able to receive a scholarship from the Bruins for his first year there. He could still enroll in classes and pay his own way). It seems that Notre Dame has opted not to do that, and he will be able to receive a scholarship in this year.
And there is the difference great post.
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No disagreement, but wasn't that also the case back in early February?
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Interesting read and perspective for sure. The trouble I have with the enforcement of the NLI's and the transfer rules is that coaches can come and go without penalty.
I don't think it shows up in what I'm quoting, but the reference is to the article about the one-sidedness of the NLI. That's absolutely the case. Anyone who is totally unfamiliar with the scenario, looking in from the outside would say these recruits are getting screwed. Well, yes and no. Everything in college football, and most certainly the recruiting process, is fakakta (Yiddish for words I can't use here, or at least it's Americanized version). Colleges are spending, and in many cases, making, millions of dollars on something that is only tangentially related to the intrinsic nature of a university. Many schools have many players representing it who are not remotely qualified, academically, to be part of a university. Millions are spent to convince young men to come to a school. Yet, these same young men are compensated by scholarship and other minor benefits at a level which is disproportionately low to revenues they help generate. So, yes, the NLI would look nuts to someone not familiar with the entire system. But, no more so than the entire system itself.
I guess I'm glad Brian Kelly didn't go to the Eagles and Bob Diaco didn't take a head coaching job. Turnover is turnover be it coaches, players and recruits.
I'm starting to wonder how much longer ND can let players of this caliber slip through the cracks. One guy doesn't make a program, but when they start to pile up, it becomes a problem.
Vanderdoes, Lynch, Shepard. Those are three pretty good players that should be on this roster right now but are not for various reasons. Quality and quantity subtracted that often starts to add up over time.
If you roll the dice on high risk recruits, you have to hope the high rewards manifest themselves. Too much time gets invested in pursuing these guys. If you're not going to oversign, you'd better keep a high retention rate of your athletes. I can see losing a guy to injury here or there, but it seems like a never ending cycle of drama lately.
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