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Big difference in expectations from the football programs.
Duke athletic director Kevin White was one of four athletic directors on the FBS level to win the Under Armour AD of the Year Award, presented by the
Also didn't help that he had zero support from Father Malloy. White could have been a great AD here but when you had Malloy here it was not going to work. Good thing that Swarbrick has the support of Father Jenkins.
I know it is an unpopular view, but I think Kevin White did a great job at ND. He was the person who made the no revenue sports important and successful. As far as hiring football coaches, I would be surprised that he would have huge sway. My sense is that final decisions on that job are made at the BOT and CSC levels.
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I don't know that I've ever disagreed more with a post. No disrespect intended.
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I completely understand your point. If I truly believed that Kevin White had any say over the football program, I would be on your side. I think the egos on the Board of Trustees and the priests in the Admin Building needed to massages their own egos on the football coaching decisions.
I will always remember how McKenna tried to force Gary Barnett on ND and what a debacle that turned out to be.
It wasn't just the hiring of the coaches, but the contract extensions compounded things. I do agree the administration is intrusive but I find it hard to believe they also forced extensions as well. As wjasonp pointed out the BCS payout presentation, epic fails in my opinion. We're still paying (literally) for some of his bad decisions.
I disagree. The reason for the downfall of the Football program was running off of Lou and the hiring of Ty.
Who knows how O'Leary would have turned out he had a pretty decent staff with PSU Coach Bill O'Brien, Bills Coach Doug Marrone, Ted Roof, and ND Coaches Steve Addazio, Greg Mattison, and Bill Sheridan - DC of the TB Bucs.
If something worked for ND in the past. They'll continue to go to again in dire times. I'm sure Pat Fitzgeralds name was thrown around last time.
White was very highly regarded before he came to Notre Dame, and apparently, now that he's left. What changed? Well, for one thing, he didn't, or doesn't, have his hand on the tiller of the most storied football program in the country. As Lou has pointed out before, ND athletic directors are measured first and foremost by what happens on the football field. We can only speculate how much intervention White had to contend with. I'm guessing there was enough to make him look for greener pastures, but that still doesn't answer the question of how much responsibility he had for some questionable decisions. I don't think we'll ever know.
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Yours is an unpopular view — but that doesn't mean it's incorrect. Kevin White's tenure here from 2000-08 was like an iceberg. About 90 percent of many good things he did i was not visible, but the 10 percent that were — football struggling for the most part, contract extensions to Davie and Weis, mocked sound blurbs such as "Ty did everything right from Sunday through Friday..." — are all that people saw and really cared about.
He set the wheels in motions for a lot of good things, among them much better salaries for the coaches (Urban Meyer was at $50,000 per year here when White got here) and upgrades to numerous areas at a time when there was a freeze on expenditures after 9-11. This included the Guglielmino Athletics Complex and numerous other endeavors.
The Olympic Sports already were strong in many, many areas, and Dick Rosenthal was the one that really began to set that in motion, but White did help to take it another level with more scholarships in tough economic times. A school with the prestige of Duke wouldn't want you so much if you were incompetent.
It's very simple, though, at Notre Dame: When football struggles or you made the wrong hire — although his hands were pretty much tied — he's going to be the inevitable lightning rod. He had finally had enough.
I have to agree with this. ND was headed downhill the day Mike Wadsworth became the AD. The restrictions put on recruiting were the reason Holtz left (my opinion) because he felt he couldn't compete against the top programs under those circumstances. During the Holtz era ND had a run of recruits that became1st round draft choices. You can pinpoint the end of that run to the first class brought in under the Wadsworth regime. An argument could certainly be made that Holtz stretched the limits of admissions largesse but it was a situation that could have used gentler hand rather than meat clever. I think that is what we saw under Charlie Weis (but there was a lack of player development) and what we see now with Brian Kelly. It is hard but it can be done.
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