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Yes, flanker, we can agree to disagree, and I certainly was not suggesting A & M doesn't have quality athletes. One doesn't win the Heisman on lucky bounces. My concern is more about which statistics are used to make a point, and in understanding how other issues might impact on those numbers. I guess my question would be, if Riddick, Wood, Atkinson, Eifert, etc. played in the A & M system this year, would you not consider them exceptional playmakers as well? Opportunity sometimes can elevate the perception we have of some individuals. Regardless, it's nothing that can be resolved by discussion. Just more interesting bar talk.
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While this has been a very interesting debate, Ham, your last comment really got my attention!!
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The Aggies have a better Oline.
I don't know if you watched the undefeated season special on NBC, but they said there was no intensity, no nothing during that Pitt game. It took them until they were down big to realize they have to play better. With that being said, these guys have only game left this season. They will do anything to win this game. They have 9 months after thia game to heal. I love our chances against bama. I watched the A&M game against bama and those DB's didnt know what to do. They were worries about manziel running then he threw it on him. If golson can run on these guys then they are in trouble. I feel the most important thing is golson establishing his own run game. Then playaction, options, reads, all that stuff opens up.
What are you basing better playmakers on because Johny football was fortunate to win the heisman . The games against LSU and Florida didn't cost him the Heisman because nobody knew who he was. After theAlabama who did AM play.
For me, points per game determines offensive explosiveness. Its the ultimate objective of an offense and ND at this time lacks in this area. You are right that the game plan that Kelly has devised doesnt allow for it but did he create that gameplan based on the limited ability of his playmakers. Now the ultimate objective is to score more points than your opponent and ND has obviously done that. Eifert would have had way better numbers at A&M than he had with ND. In my opinion Atkinson is not as good as either Riddick or Wood and I would not consider him an exceptional playmaker on either team. Hopefully with another year under his belt he'll improve as a running back. Wood would have probably excelled the best out of the three in Texas A&M's system because he is the quickest of the three. I wish I was at a bar right now.
Texas A&M offensive stats
Passing 3807 yds 26 TDs
Rushing 2821 yds 42 TDs
Notre Dame offensive stats
Passing 2626 yds 13 TDs
Rushing 2430 yds 22 TDs
Texas A&M scored 68 TDs on offense compared to ND's 35 TDs; almost double. How was he fortunate to win? Every team and player has off games (see ND against Purdue, BYU and Pittsburgh) but the guy had an all time great season. I'm a huge ND fan, but I won't let my love for the team blind reality.
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He was fortunate because he basically won it by default he wasn't a frontrunner or even in the conversation when he had his bad games . Barkley's game against Stanford cost him because he was in all the hype so was Klein who had one bad game to cost him and they were giving Geno Smith the heisman back in october but his bad game against K state cost him. If Johny Football was in the running at the start of the season he would not have won because the lost to LSU zero touchdowns 3 int would have cost him .Thats how he was fortunate . I think he is a great QB but he should not have the Heisman whith one game.
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