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as if the decommitments of Darby, Greenberry and Sheppard wasn't proof enough...Aaron Lynch transferring just tells me we can't get/keep the athletes necessary to be a player on the national scene. I hate to be negative, but c'mon....
I also hate to be negative, but if you face the facts; it doesn't look very promising IMHO
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Ya.... getting Kiel, Tuitt, Neal, Ishaq, Niklas, Day, Carslile, Koyak, etc sure shows we cant get elite athletes. Step away from the ledge.
Sheppard never decomitted. He quit because he couldn't handle the academics. Let's see if either of the other 2 players have great college careers. I tend to doubt it.
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We lost Lynch because of homesickness and gained Kiel because of homesickness. You win some, you lose some.
Problem is you need a heck of a lot more than the ones you listed to be a title contender. We will see how this all shapes up but the whole we will be fine without him routine lost its luster 3 lost players ago.
I think the upside is this...
all those mentioned recruits that are still here.. Most of those kids would have gone to a football factor if kelly hadnt been here... we might lose 3-4 but we are keeping 12-13 outta the lot. You have to understand that most the kids kelly is recruiting are ballers and have a good shot at the next level. Some of those kids that were sold by ND on their success going forward didnt realize just how hard it is to grad. from UND. The rest understand they made a commitment and are not a head case, or lazy, or just couldn't hack the hardships. There are tough guys then there are tough guys that go to UND to get a degree. Those two things are very different kind of man and we have to live with the ones that want the degree.
LIve with it guys, we are not a football factory we are a University 1st football program 2nd... live with it.. if we do not have a national championship every 5 years you have to understand the guys on the field are really... STUDENT-athlete... it was capped and lower case.. due to their respective importance.
So where along the line, ND had the chance to be a world class place to learn and research or a top notch football program, unfortuately you can not have both cause other universities are football only and can pay(lets face it) these guys.
If i could have made the choice, I would have done the same.
Gotta face it brothen... but anyway.. 10-3 11-2 next year
I am mixed on this type of thing. A lot of comments I've seen are proclaiming you're far off and listing players (several with minimal or no production yet btw)...but at the same time - I think you're just going about this wrong.
When it's said in blunt form, conjoined with the years of mediocrity and minimal NFL talent in comparison to the other "Elite" schools, I disagree with you. Yes those things are true but in most cases we do not get the players they can, weren't developing the ones we did, or they were too few far and between.
There's no question ND isn't a place academically that is for everyone. Especially in the cases of the extremely talented athlete first, student second type of players. I agree with you we can't get ENOUGH of the top tier talent needed or apparently keep it with Lynch's departure. I don't ever think that will change and we are all aware of that.
I think we saw ND can still be competitive in this day and age. As proven in a few of the years. They need to keep building the way they are so that these type of losses aren't a major blow to the program. If there was one position we could afford to lose this type of talent - it was DLine. To me the recruiting losses of the db's hurt way more. Hard to say it when you consider Lynch actually produce at an elite level as opposed to kids who've done nothing, but reality is, the depth we have makes it a true statement.
The thing that is bad for ND is you just don't see this over and over (as it feels we have had this year) at other schools. I can't figure out how this is remotely a good thing for the team, the recruiting trail, etc. Losing a kid who was basically 2 years away from the NFL if he so chose, cannot look good. Any Elite recruit with dreams really of the NFL first, remember these are kids, questioning whether they can handle ND academics or if they'd want the booze/the girls/the weather/the relaxed life has to see this as red check against the program. The only remote positive spin you can put on this is there is an open spot in recruiting for a DE. And odds are high he is not going to be remotely as good as Lynch and obviously won't be on the field in 2012.
In saying all of that. I still think ND can compete. I still think they're years and years away from being consistently Elite again. But they cannot keep having this type of high-profile stuff happening to them. Kids are impressionable and there is no chance that this can't scare people off.
Lou Holtz lost outstanding players as well. Lynch is an emotional kid, which is probably part of what makes him a great player, but he isn't ready to make the personal adjustments necessary to stay at ND. The other guys mentioned never played here. Two changed their minds, as kids do, and one left for reasons other than Notre Dame football. Let's not dismiss the fact that we got Amir Carlisle from USC and Jordan Prestwood from Florida. These two figure to be significant contributors. Things should get easier and better as Kelly moves along.
I believe it's harder for ANY midwestern school to win a title now. Much more than it was even a decade ago. ND, even more so due to it's unique culture. Throw in the fact that we play a much more difficult schedule over the next half-decade than any other midwest school, and our chances get even more dim.
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I guess this stings because (in my opinion) Lynch was the first DL we had in a long time that seemed to have the total package. I am talking strong enough to get a push; athletic enough to get off blocks, quick enough to close on the QB/ball carrier, and nasty enough to bring it. Like what you see in an SEC DL. We've had some strong guys, but no one who showed potential to truly disrupt an offense.
So Te'o, Floyd are average players? How about Tuitt, Ishaq, Atkinson twins, Daniels, Nix, Gunner, Justin Ferguson who by ESPN's account is rated higher than Greenberry, Day, Jones, any of the Beasts on the Oline, Eifert, etc, etc...... Do you think USC fans freaked at Amir or Fla St with Prestwood? This is part of football. And all programs.
"So Te'o, Floyd are average players? How about Tuitt, Ishaq, Atkinson twins, Daniels, Nix, Gunner, Justin Ferguson who by ESPN's account is rated higher than Greenberry, Day, Jones, any of the Beasts on the Oline, Eifert, etc, etc...... Do you think USC fans freaked at Amir or Fla St with Prestwood? This is part of football. And all programs"
This is on top of 18 years of mediocre football. Face it, we are not (and have not been) a player on the national scene since 1993. Even the 2 loss seasons didn't include any signature wins. That is the context my post was made in.
BTW: the top teams have 30 of Te'o, Floyd, Tuitt, Ishaq, Atkinson twins, Daniels, Nix, Gunner, Justin Ferguson....they can absorb losing Darby, Shappard, Greenberry, and Lynch, we can't (as proven by our record)
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Now I could be wrong, but I was told by a solid source that he has hearing problems and is close to being deaf. With this problem he had a hard time adjusting to UND
No source needed, the kid does have a hearing problem. But that's unrelated to his departure, he had a legit medical condition.
FACT: ND gets 'some' elite athletes and SEC schools get mostly elite athletes!!
Example look at our WR and CB situation! Probably NONE would see the field on an SEC school and these are probably the best athletes on the team!
We had and NFL receiver in Floyd and a MAC like QB in Rees!
We will have SEC caliber front 7 this year with MAC DB's you simply can not beat elite teams with our talent level!!
NO elite WR, NO elite DB's, No one to return punts etc.
Too bad we can't move the University to Florida!!! South Bend is not exactly South Beach!!!
Ok look you bash the team and its mediocrity then. Since you seem to know way much more than me and everyone else on here. You cry your tears over Lynch, Tee (who left because of a heart condition) and Deontay who went to Houston because of a coach. And when the sky doesnt fall dont change your tune. I believe that Kelly is our guy. I believe this stuff happens. I believe that the sky is not falling. So good luck believing that it is.
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