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So I'm having a discussion with a Bama alum. He asked me the following:
"How many players on ND would start at Bama?"
I came up with -
Defense - Nix (he said that was not a given w/ their NG, apparently Jesse Williams can bench 600 lbs, and he thought he was better & bigger than Nix), Tuitt, Manti, and MAYBE Motta (he dismissed Motta).
Offense - This stumped me. Eifert for sure, possibly TJ Jones, but I really couldn't come up with an offensive lineman. As good as our running backs are, not starters on Bama with Lacey and Yelden, not even close.
Was curious as to what you thought? Not trying to open wounds just curious as to how far we need to go.
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I was also extremely impressed with their DT. I would say the guarantees would be Eifert, Manti, and Tuitt. Unfortunately I think that's it.
oversigning sure makes things easier
We mentioned something to this effect on a different thread about a week or two ago (that game seems like 10 years away now).
Defense: Tuitt and Te'o. Listed Nix as the co-starter with Williams at NG because that position would necessitate it. Either way, he would have "starter minutes." Williams also is the fullback in short-yardage situations on offense.
Offense: Eifert. Amazing that I couldn't fit Zack Martin into that line, which is the best I've seen in college since USC 1978-79 (Anthony Munoz, Brad Budde, Chris Foote, Pat Howell and Keith Van Horne). I could maybe seeTheo Riddick in the slot too with his toughness, including blocking.
When we look at it from that perspective, you do say, "Wow!" And you also wish you hadn't rooted for Baylor to defeat Kansas State on Nov. 24.
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I'm now surprised the game was as close as it was.
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Bama is not as good as they looked nor ND as bad as they looked. All of our opinions are based on one game. Bama is very good yes but keep this up and we should put them in the Super Bowl.
Ham agreed! Before the game in my mind I came up with this guy is as good as that guy etc....
But, objectively now after the fact, this is the reality....
when we played bama that night they were on a different level there qb was on everybody was on we will get to bamas level very soon
I agree we have a long ways to go. Saban has done a good job with building depth (however they do it). I would say however "any given Saturday" I'm also sure that noone thought BIGEAST Louisville talent could hold a candle to the FLORIDA SEC talent. I don't think A&M has better players than Bama. They found a way to get it done. We can agree the difference is in the trenches everything else is interchangeable for skill positions.
The "given day" always is the X-factor. How many Navy players would have been recruited by Notre Dame in 2009-10? You think they had receivers like Floyd, Tate and Rudolph?
But they had the right plan, built momentum and Notre Dame didn't have the right plan.
ND wasn't 38-10 better than No. 1 Texas in the 1978 Cotton Bowl and Alabama wasn't 42-14 better than Notre Dame this Jan. 7. On both occasions, it was the perfect storm for one team and a collapse for the other. It happens.
But when you line it up individually and collectively, it's tough to argue that Alabama had the bigger, stronger and/or faster horses, and they also had excellent jockeys and trainers (as Ham would say).
DEFENSE - Nix, Tuitt and Te'o for sure but as Lou noted Nix and Williams would split minutes quite a bit.
OFFENSE - Eifert is the only obvious one but I would argue that Cave could start at C and then they could slide Barrett Jones back to G over Anthony Steen. Tough to leave off Zack Martin but you have 2 Future 1st round at worst likely Top 15 NFL draft picks at OT for Bama.
I also believe that Davaris Daniels would start at WR for Bama.
Now this one is not going to be popular but I would start Golson over AJ McCarron on my football team any day.
Exquisitely stated, Lou. Following up on your "given day" point, many a day at the track, you will see 1-5 favorites lose. For all the talent disparity, there would be another night when ND would beat Alabama. Just not that night.
76, I had similar leanings, and I might agree with you to the point where I'd say I'd start Golson over AJ McCarron on my football team any day, but not if my team is Alabama. With all the other parts in place, he seems like a safer bet, at least at this point in their career development. Ask me again next year, and I might have a different answer.
This may be a stretch, but, as good a team as ND was this year, Alabama may have been an order of magnitude better. At least in the first 30 minutes of that game.
Because, if you say that only Eifert, Teo and Tuitt, would have started on a combined Tide/ND squad, what you are really saying is that Bama had better players at 19 of 22 positions.
That sounds like an ND over Wake of BC ratio. And there certainly was an order of magnitude difference between ND and both of those teams.
It actually looked like men against boys. I don't know if we were just off our game but we looked overmatched at most positions. Lets keep recruiting big time guys and get better.
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I agree with what Lou said as far as the starters go, and our Natty game being the perfect shite storm as far as Bama playing their absolute best and ND playing one of their worst.
Having said all that if you break the game down, we tied them 14-14 in the second half....and that is where I shall hang my hat.
LET'S GET IT ON!!!!!
Eifert, Tuitt, Manti...Motta wouldn't see the field for them!
I agree that Daniels should be added to this list. This is just the beginning fellas. We are on a meteoric upswing, and Bama is at it's pinnacle. These numbers will be much closer in 2013 with the continued development and ongoing recruiting of players that will start if they were on Bama's team:
Zack Martin (with Bamas loss of Fluker), Shembo as he continues to develop, Jackson or Russell at CB next year(loss of Milliner), we'll see what Day and Jones (and hopefully Vanderdoes) look like on the DL.
Part of the problem with our 'Big Uglies' is that there is really a lack of back-up players to compete against and push the starters. If each of these starters came into spring or fall and had to fight and claw to maintain their starter role, things would be a lot different. We are moving in that direction by developing the solid depth at those positions, but it is still part of the process.
If you took Zack Martin right now and told him he had to beat out Barrett Jones (for example) by the August 31 to maintian your starting spot, you would see how much better he can be. Where we are right now, his improvements come from not wanting one of the Sophmores or Juniors to catch him from behind. Big difference... but things are changing in NDs favor.
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I only have a couple additions, but even they are at best debatable.
-I think Theo would see time with them, at the very least situationally because of his durability and versatility.
-I also think Zack would. Alabama's lineman are versatile, and I imagine Martin is. Sure, none of their 3 first rounders wouldnt be uusurped to make room for Zack, but he'd start on their line.
Did you ask him how many would graduate Notre Dame.
No, he respects and understands ND's academic prowess.
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