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  • I grew up in the 1970s when football recruiting really was irrelevant from a coverage standpoint. Around May, South Bend Tribune sports editor Joe Doyle would do a quick synopsis of "these are the freshmen who will be reporting this fall," and that was about it. It was taken for granted that if Notre Dame recruited them, they had to be good ball players (just like at Ohio State, Texas, Alabama, USC, etc). No star rankings, no hype, no frills. So with that in mind, here are some questions:

    1. For the older crowd, how did you get your recruiting info or fix in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, and did you even need it?

    2. Has the recruiting scene become almost too much of an obsession with the hand-wringing that goes on about every little move by a prospect ND might be interested in?

    3. One member of the current Irish staff has stated that the Internet is the worst thing to happen to college football recruiting because it often creates a sense of entitlement among so many prospects. Do you agree or disagree?

  • Lou Somogyi said... (original post)

    1. For the older crowd, how did you get your recruiting info or fix in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, and did you even need it?

    2. Has the recruiting scene become almost too much of an obsession with the hand-wringing that goes on about every little move by a prospect ND might be interested in?

    3. One member of the current Irish staff has stated that the Internet is the worst thing to happen to college football recruiting because it often creates a sense of entitlement among so many prospects. Do you agree or disagree?

    1. For the older crowd, how did you get your recruiting info or fix in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, and did you even need it?

    I was always way more excited about seeing the freshmen come up. I remember bringing home programs from the game and memorizing all the underclassmen. I would pick my favorites to be stars the next year. Some would pan out and some wouldn't. That was all I needed. I really didn't care who was coming in.

    2. Has the recruiting scene become almost too much of an obsession with the hand-wringing that goes on about every little move by a prospect ND might be interested in?

    Yes, yes and yes! I almost hate to read all the angst over 18 year old kids and their decisions. The whole "three hats on the table" televised selection is almost more than I can take. Once again, really stupid for an 18 year old kid.

    3. One member of the current Irish staff has stated that the Internet is the worst thing to happen to college football recruiting because it often creates a sense of entitlement among so many prospects. Do you agree or disagree?

    I agree to an extent. It is the worst thing to happen to college football recruiting, at least until the next worse thing comes along.

  • Lou, being 44 years old, i think we got our news the same way. Our local paper ran somestories around the same time your talking about. They actually used to pick up the Joe Doyle articles,lol. I love recruiting news but you are right, i think it does go overboard at times and causes too much hand wringing, etc., lol. Me included. the 3rd point, i guess that could be the truth but i don't have enough first hand knowledge of it to really say.

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  • My first stop in the 70s was the "Smith and Street" annual that would come out generally in late July/early August. This would talk about who would move up from the frosh team or later what new Frosh could make an impact.

    This led to Joe Terranova & Max Emfinger who published newsletters about H.S. kids and what schools they choose.

    Then, I moved on to something call "Go Irish" a 20 edition newspaper published by none other than Lou & Tim.

    Continuing to feed my addiction, I supported Tom Lemmings' 800 numbers by calling incessantly. My phone bill got so high I had to tell my wife it was porn. No way could she understand why I cared whether Huntley Backitch was visiting or Ron Paulus was committing.

    The final step was a website know as the IRJ.....

  • daughternd,

    Nice summary. Lemming was brilliant with that 900 number, wasn't he? He would throw you a teaser ... and then tell you to call back in another hour for more info on a kid he was going to have an exclusive conversation with ... and then call back an hour after that because he had to meet with a coach instead ... and then ...

  • In the 70's I just knew ND was going to be good every year. I knew when the Irish recruited some one from my High School ( ie the Late Mike Courey).

    It is out of control when I read a kid has reduced his list to 11 schools.

    Of course I think every kid that is Catholic should play for Our Mother. No questions asked...;)

  • Lou, I'm 39 and was on the cusp of what it is now. BNG was just starting and the SBT was getting better. Other then that I figured or stereotyped ND in regards to "they have to be good kids" to get into ND. As far as grades, character, playing ability, etc.

    As far as now, yes some of these kids need a respect wake up call. The show boating and hat thing is way out of control. How all that got started I don't know but it needs to stop. Too much coverage and too much it's all about me attitude. But, I guess that's the media age we live in.

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  • daughternd said... (original post)

    My first stop in the 70s was the "Smith and Street" annual that would come out generally in late July/early August. This would talk about who would move up from the frosh team or later what new Frosh could make an impact.

    This led to Joe Terranova & Max Emfinger who published newsletters about H.S. kids and what schools they choose.

    Then, I moved on to something call "Go Irish" a 20 edition newspaper published by none other than Lou & Tim.

    Continuing to feed my addiction, I supported Tom Lemmings' 800 numbers by calling incessantly. My phone bill got so high I had to tell my wife it was porn. No way could she understand why I cared whether Huntley Backitch was visiting or Ron Paulus was committing.

    The final step was a website know as the IRJ.....

    i forgot about these, i loved the street and smith or vice versa books,lol. I also used to call the lemming phone number. Good stuff. Part of my summers were always spent reading those books.

    Two time Poster of The Week, 2011 and 2013.

  • I can't answer No. 1, but I agree that there is way too much hand-wringing that goes on, seemingly as early as 364 days in advance of signing day. With all of the commitments, decommitments, recommitments, etc., that have played out since I began following recruiting, I've become a bit desensitized to the emotions that come with verbal commitments.

    And I'm all for a 24-hour, 365-day-per-year recruiting news cycle, but yes, the Internet has spiked entitlement among many 16- to 18-year-olds.But with so many grown-ups (media and fans) hanging on their every word and movement, that's to be expected. But Pandora's box has been opened. There's no way to stop the sense entitlement, but rather some kids just have to bust to learn the hard way. It is what it is, I suppose.

  • Lou Somogyi said... (original post)

    I grew up in the 1970s when football recruiting really was irrelevant from a coverage standpoint. Around May, South Bend Tribune sports editor Joe Doyle would do a quick synopsis of "these are the freshmen who will be reporting this fall," and that was about it. It was taken for granted that if Notre Dame recruited them, they had to be good ball players (just like at Ohio State, Texas, Alabama, USC, etc). No star rankings, no hype, no frills. So with that in mind, here are some questions:

    1. For the older crowd, how did you get your recruiting info or fix in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, and did you even need it?

    2. Has the recruiting scene become almost too much of an obsession with the hand-wringing that goes on about every little move by a prospect ND might be interested in?

    3. One member of the current Irish staff has stated that the Internet is the worst thing to happen to college football recruiting because it often creates a sense of entitlement among so many prospects. Do you agree or disagree?

    1. until the eighties i didn't really have a clue who committed to ND. I knew only the names I'd hear on the radio/tv on gameday.

    2. yes, yes and yes for some people. I read or watch tape about the individual players only after they commit. some people absolutely need therapy, extremely obsessive/compulsive.

    3. the internet has definitely taken it to new heights.

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  • As a 24 year old fan, I cannot respond to the first question seeing as how I hardly even knew about recruiting until the 2000's.

    While I agree that the internet and rankings have given a sense of entitlement which I think does affect them once they get onto campus because they think things will be handed to them, I think the coaching staff is responsible for setting the recruit straight about what he is going to need to do and how he will fall on the totum pole if he does get to campus.

    Recruiting can be an obsessive topic, but for me, it is my getaway from reality and I would be a whole lot less happy if it wasn't for this site and you guys.

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  • Well I don't know what the criteria is to be considered an older guy but I liked it a lot better in the 80's/early 90's when all I had to do is open up a magazine and get a brief rundown of the 20 All-American's that were coming to ND and the only thing we actually worried about was the f'ng games.

    When these messageboards/blogs/recruiting websites started popping up I used to mock the people that frequent them. During the end of the Willingham era/beginning of the Weis era I became intrigued with recruiting but that was probably more because ND's recruiting was horrific and I was hoping to see a glimmer of hope. I actively followed recruiting for a couple of years there until I came to the realization of a few things:

    1. It really doesn't make sense to get all worked up over an 18 yr old's college decision.
    2. HS kids are very high maintenance these days
    3. These messageboards probably drive more recruits away from a particular school if anything
    4. I'm starting to not like a lot of Notre Dame fans

    If I could've had the last 6 or 7 years of my life back I probably would've avoided joining any of these websites altogether. I now pretty much avoid most of the recruiting stuff because I feel like taking an axe to my face when I read all the crying from fans. I'm friends with a few people that "hear stuff" but I've pretty much told them to limit the recruiting discussions to "Did he commit yet? Okay....good".

    Really the only reason I'm still here is to read stuff about the actual team and upcoming season. The recruiting stuff kind of annoys me now which is ironic because I joined a ND recruiting website. Basically I'm holding on to my membership by a thread right now. I just want the season to start so the ass kissing of high school kids gets put on the back burner.

  • You know, GIGA, you are very close to summing up my feelings on this matter. The whole recruiting aspect has become a bad traffic accident. I don't want to look, but I just can't help it.

    I do enjoy the site though. I really enjoy the knowledge of the staff and the majority of contributions from the members. I might just take a stand and not read anything recruiting related (except for those with the wisdom to commit). I don't care about star ratings and "must have" recruits. I just want the season to start..............................heck, I just want practice to start.

    Waiting for the Fall! GO IRISH!!!!!!!!

  • Probably should've added that I do like the BGI staff, they are head and shoulders above any other website. My little rant was more about recruiting websites in general.

  • Notre Dame needs a huge verbal commitment from a huge recruit. A four or five star recruit in the near future would be very uplifting to the fans and critics. Someone like a Andrus Peat would be huge. The recruiting lately has been for lower tier and really unknown players on the recruiting trail. Lets go Nd!