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What do you guys think of this article?
3 time POTW;
In my opinion, the article raises the same question, using admittedly
a much more disparaging tone and brutal recitation of facts, that many
of us have tired to raise on this board since the Iowa State debacle.
In my view, as I have said on other threads, the entrance to the
ACC should mean that the university makes a much greater commitment
to the men's basketball program. For example, the university might decide
to build a better practice facility, the university might decide to spend more
on ND basketball (reference--Lou's thread on basketball expenditures
in the ACC compared to ND's) and, the university might reconsider
its admissions process, a la Duke, so that Mike Brey has, at a minimum,
at least a fighting chance to succeed.
Lou stated in yet another thread on this subject that Brey may have
"reached a plateau" and without a major change, might very well have
capped out. In yet another comment, Lou made reference to the "glory
days of the '70s" when we were able to bring in a "royal blue chipper"
every year. This obviously begs the question---what do we need to
do to once again be able to recruit in this fashion? Or, were the '70s
an historical anomaly--never to be repeated?
You certainly can ask the question several different ways but I still
return to what was discussed amongst the "Olympic sport" coaches
when they were asked their reaction to ND joining the ACC. To a
coach, they replied that it was going to be a challenge, that it was
going to "demand that ND raise its level of commitment."
Unfortunately, Mike Brey did not respond in the same manner,
being content to state in effect that the ACC was going to be
exciting, with new teams and places to play.
What the author of this article seems to be saying is----"its going
to be exciting only if you win" but, given the level of our commitment
to men's basketball, I don't think we are going to need have
the valium handy.
This post was edited by hemy 13 months ago
It's pretty stupid and why I never read anything on bleacher report. Clearly this guy isn't a real journalist. ND joined the ACC before the "Catholic 7" was a whisper. What are they going to do, quit the ACC before they start. And the move has little to do with bball but with football.
And have you looked at the ACC standings? There are plenty of bad teams that ND can jump on. This year the ACC had 2 solid teams and UNC wasn't much better than ND. It will be very similar to the big east with 2 or 3 teams better than the Irish every year. We will be the new Virginia.
Miami 15-3 29-6
Duke 14-4 29-5
North Carolina 12-6 25-11
Virginia 11-7 23-11
NC State 11-7 24-11
Florida State 9-9 18-16
Maryland 8-10 24-12
Boston College 7-11 16-17
Georgia Tech 6-12 16-15
Wake Forest 6-12 13-18
Clemson 5-13 13-18
Virginia Tech 4-14 13-19
I'm with you. I thought the guy was a total nitwit, but he does make a few compelling points that cannot be denied. The most prominent one is that we aren't nearly as good as many think we are. I believe, like hemy above, that by joining the ACC we need to understand that some changes are necessary for our team to be successful in the conference. What exactly those changes are, I am not certain, but without them we will just continue with more of the same or potentially worse results.
Of course, this idiot seems to have forgotten this move was not just for basketball, so making the entire question focused on basketball was just silly. I thought I'd share it though purely for discussion value.
The concept that ND is joining the ACC based primarily on a desire to help its basketball team is laughable.
“Notre Dame? Relevant? Of course. Call me in 90 years, and I’ll give you the same answer.” Neal Pilson, former president of CBS Sports
The 1970s were an historical anomaly. Everything was geared in Notre Dame's favor at that time.
Being an Independent was plus, especially with only 25 teams taken in the NCAA Tournament until 1975, and 32 pretty much the rest of the decade. Until 1976, only the conference champ could go. In 1971, I think, USC and South Carolina both finished in the top 6 — but neither could go to the Tournament because they did not win the conference. ND at 19-7 could go as an at-large independent.
Until ESPN came along in 1979, college basketball was covered by TVS and NBC only on Saturdays and then later a Sunday game too. ND always was a popular favorite to monopolize the market because as an independent it scheduled marquee weekend matchups with UCLA, Maryland, San Francisco, Marquette, etc.
The Big East and ESPN both formed in 1979, and it was downhill from there.
That's not even including the culture of recruiting today compared to now. Think about this: Even in the mid-1980s, guys like Hakeem Olajuwon and Pat Ewing stayed in school. Even Michael Jordan stayed three years. That would be preposterous today. Those days are gone, making it an historical anomaly, as you state.
6-Time POTW Winner, 4 time at BGI and 2 at 24/7
I may not be pretty, but I'm fast.....
POTW 1/31/11 - 2/6/11
Without any numbers only fandom I believe the last6 - 8 years big east has been the best conference. I don't consider joining the ACC a promotion as much as an act of survival.
Duke, unc, ... Miami is good this year... And I'm spent. Nc state, wake, Virginia ect have been trending downward the past 5 years.
Honestly I want Ben Howland bad, met him at NAU many years ago... Winner
True, but Big East has been trending down, too, particularly this year, except for Louisville. The difference is in image. Duke and Carolina have the kind of cachet no team in the Big East can match. They were big before there was a Big East, and they haven't gotten any smaller over the years.
It's a load of crap.
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