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2013 may be an historic year--the year the Heisman Trophy is
awarded to a defensive player who didn't occasionally play
offense as in Mr. Clowney of South Carolina. That is, if ESPN
has anything to say about it. Long noted for "pushing" certain
players and teams throughout its year-long coverage of college
football, it appears ESPN has locked in on Clowney ("Clowney
is a 'rock star'") and will be touting him as the next coming. Of
course, Manti may very well have played the "John the Baptist"
role here but unless some SEC QB with "rock like" numbers
pulls a major late season upset, it may be the award has
already been decided.
This post was edited by hemy 12 months ago
youre mad because? are you all of a sudden surprised ESPN would prop up an SEC defensive player? Clowney is the real deal, the kid is a monster.
Yes hemy you are right. The heisman has already been decided. Just like the last 7 Bcs nat. championships. ESPN, SEC and the NCAA have that already put together. Clowney in a lock. If Clowney played in any other conference, he would just be another player, just like Manziel, which is really garbage anyway.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by gautrp 12 months ago
youre kidding right? i get the ESPN/SEC bias but you honestly think Clowney would be "just another player" outside the SEC?
Golson for Heisman.
LET'S GET IT ON!!!!!
First, I may be crazy but I am not "mad" at anything. It was simply a comment.
And, no, I am not "surprised" that ESPN "would prop up" an SEC defensive
player, I am simply pointing out that they are doing so and will continue to
do so. As for Clowney, he may very well be the "real deal" but, in my opinion
(and it is nothing more), the 2013 Heisman Trophy needs to be "won" based
upon performance in the fall of 2013, not because the powers that be in
Bristol have decided the issue in April.
That's all I was trying to say.
i understand and the SEC thing gets way annoying but remember it was Clowney who openly talked about winning it in the offseason and he is the biggest star in football this year so it makes for a headline in april. i could be wrong but wasnt espn pumping Geno Smith as the heisman front runner going into last season and then the first 6 weeks? he wasnt even invited to NYC. i wouldnt take too much stock in the award being decided by bristol in april.
Let's watch Alabama make him look human this coming Fall and then we should discuss his chances.
3 time POTW;
and if he goes off and has a huge game, does he automatically get it, ala johnny football?
I get the disgust with ESPN hyping players before games have started, but I don't believe anyone's Heisman was ever decided in April. If it was, Matt Barkley would have won last year, Tim Tebow his senior year, and probably Brady Quinn would have one as well. Heisman voting definitely has its biases and flaws, as does ESPN, but I don't buy that they have a real influence on the voters. They hype the most compelling players because they know they drive ratings, and that's all Sportcenter is currently about. I'm sure there are people here that think they hyped Manziel into the Heisman, but the coverage of Te'o reached a similar level, and Geno Smith did at times as well. They simply play up the story of the week or longer if public interest and ratings keeps demanding it - don't be surprised if Braxton Miller turns into that player for part of this year either.
This post was edited by mbryan06 12 months ago
Pretty much so, providing he plays the same way he played in all other games.
I admit that to say that the Heisman "was decided in April" is hyperbole.
However, a decent percentage of Heisman voters do not follow college football
that closely and many of the voters, especially print media voters, do not follow it
at all---as in, they cover the NFL, the NBA, or as in my local paper,
high school sports. I believe the Heisman voting pool is loaded with
AP writers who have, at best, a superficial knowledge of college football.
To me, that allows ESPN to have a disproportionate impact on the voting
process since everyone watches Sportscenter and ESPN's Saturday
football shows during the fall. And, I believe that's where many voters,
especially among the AP, get their information as to who is worthy
and who is not as worthy of the Heisman.
So, I do believe they have a real influence. But, since I am
not a voter, I have no proof. Just another way of looking at
This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by hemy 12 months ago
"print media heisman voters dont watch it at all" youre really saying that?
Good counter and for a small group that may be the case. I think ESPN's focus on select players evolves alongside the Heisman race and candidates though, so while the news in April may form an initial opinion for that group, by the end of the season their focus is in line with the Heisman candidates (this happened with RGIII, who was a fringe candidate but evolved into a huge story over the course of his season).
I think the regional biases are far more of an issue - there are writers in each conferences territory that will find any reason to vote for the best player from that conference, whether its SEC, Pac-12, Big 12, or Big Ten. In a close race it really comes down to the groups of national writers and voters with open minds willing to go against local opinion.
Good post. And, regional bias is a big concern. As an illustration of my
earlier point, my hometown newspaper has 4 Heisman voters. Only
one "covers" college football and even he limits his coverage to
the Syracuse Orangmen--he does not write or even refer to "national"
goings on in the sport. Of the other 3 voters, two "cover" the Buffalo
Bills and the third "covers" high school sports. Yet, all 4 vote(in
2012, they all voted for Manziel, 3 voted Manti in 3rd place and
one left him off the ballot altogether (if their published statements
as to their voting is to be believed).
All 4 are "credentialed" AP writers and thus, all 4 receive a
ballot but if I had to guess, anybody, and I mean, anybody on this
board knows far more about college football(not just ND football)
than the 4 of them put together. But, they vote; we do not.
Geno Smith does not play in the "SECheaters".
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