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After I took a longer look at his film (FYI, My first look at his film was at work and it was just a quick glance), Here are my thoughts:
1) IMO, there is no way he plays ILB. He does not show the quickness or the Lateral Movement to play ILB
2) I could see him play like a 3-4 Rush/OLB (Shembo's Spot) but he would be more like a glorified pass rusher, who also could be good stopping the run (I like the way he uses his hand. He has very strong Hands) but would have some trouble dropping into pass coverage
3) IMO, his best spot is a hand-down 3-4 DE. He does have a good frame, is tough, has a good motor and is a very good fluid athlete for a DL. Problem is the kid will need around 3 years to get to 280/290 to be a 3-4 hand-own DE. IMO, this kid is a project with good upside.
FYI - In the Film below, starting from the 3 minute mark the kid shows some real good athleticism. The catch he made right around the 3 minute mark as a TE showed some real good athleticism for a DL who is 6-3 250 in HS!
Watch all 14 of Jonathan Bonners athletic and academic accomplishments.
KLM was about the same size when he came in and turned into a really good DE. This kid should follow that path.
Agreed. He does not look athletic but is raw and does show a natural closing burst. Not crazy about this pickup. Maybe because I played MLB I don't think it's as easy to move there, it's more a a natural feel. The ability to read and react cannot be taught in college.
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what films say? ; he is a 'tweener' and that rarely resolves itself positionally He may be one of those great kids with athleticism and just not a perfect fit anywhere in the front 7.
JMO: ILB or ST is the possibilities.
JMO: so at this point, I am not yet wrong..
I assume he will red shirt and have plenty of time to constructively bulk up. He may be a very outstanding contributor by 2015 and still have 3 more years to play after that. I am sure the staff has some focused vision for him.
Maybe they're tired of punks like Vanderdoes and Anzalone, etc., and they want kids who want to be at Notre Dame.
I have to believe that Diaco/BK can assimilate all the potential height/weight muscle factors in a heartbeat - it's what they saw with their eyes that punched their clocks - Bonner MUST have been impressive to get a on the spot offer. They had no need to offer - the recruiting cycle is early this young man clearly MOVED them. It'll be interesting to see how this story plays out. GO IRISH!
wj: it does however take time for added size and muscle to become mature muscle; just adding size in a short time is not the end of the process. Oprah is 280 and no one thinks she would be a DT candidate.
There is 280 and then there is 280.
As noted, I believe this is an ILB candidate; or anywhere else a role playing back up (pass rush specialist?). In other spots he is either too small or lacks length and speed.
If you watched vids of both he and Williams there is a notable difference in speed and pursuit quickness. Williams is an obvious OLB while Bonner looks like a powerhouse ILB prospect. In limited space he can deliver a big hit. Don't forget the D1 players he will be chasing will all be big and all be fast.
KLM was listed at 225 pounds in high school, but when he arrived at Notre Dame that summer he was officially listed at 6-4, 257 pounds. After redshirting, he began playing as a sophomore in the 285 neighborhood and eventually maxed out at 306 this past season.
KLM was a legit 6'4" and Bonner is and inch or more less. KLM was long and lanky at 6'4".
Bonner is already thick at 6'2"ish and 250; he is not a candidate for a full time starting DE. Those are the traits the DL had when Weis was at ND and remember Diaco's comments that he' could not discern the LB from the DL'. Being a good athlete is not just the issue; ftting into the team plan/scheme is a factor.
Anyone remember Leroy Keyes? Fabulous college player because he did it all; but he was a jack of all trades and master of none so when Sunday came he did not fit any particular role/position.
So Bonner can play all 4 LB positions? That tells me that he does not clearly indicate to a position. He may be a fabulous athlete but where will he be 'fabulous'?
3rd player selected in the first round of the NFL draft, played 5 seasons in the NFL....that guy?
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yup! he was an Irish Killer
At a recent rivals camp - He measured in at 6-3 - 250
At this point, you're neither "wrong" nor "right." However, let's look at what evidently
happened on a real field with real people and real coaches looking on: Jonathan
Bonner lines up to "pass rush" Alex Bars, a consensus 4 star offensive lineman,
very highly thought of in recruiting circles, an ND commit. Alex Bars---the same
guy who the week before absolutely "dominated" consensus 5 star DE Lorenzo Carter who
you(and admittedly myself) would probably salivate over if he committed to us.
Now, Bonner "dominates" Bars------ and Nelson, and Bryne and all the other 4 and
5 star offensive linemen he faced. And, from scuttlebutt, he dominated
rather emphatically. Based upon that performance, we offered him.
In addition,, as I mentioned to you before on another thread,
there are 5 Notre Dame analysts who write professionally
for other sites that project this kid at either OLB or DE---admittedly, not right
away but probably by his second year of eligibility after a red shirt year.
I am not trying to put you down--but, let me just ask a couple of questions--
have you or do you coach football and if so, at what level? Do you watch
tapes of high school athletes on a regular basis in order to make valid
The only reason I ask these questions is this: every one has an opinion
and is entitled to it. Its more a question of evaluating an opinion and the credentials of
those offering them. For example, I have never coached football and have
never devoted myself to reviewing tape. Consequently, my opinion---pro
or con--on any given player is virtually worthless. So, first I look to the coaches,
since I believe in our current staff, then I read what people on this site
and other sites think and roughly, I follow what they say because I, myself,
bring nothing to the table. In addition, I do see where the player stands
star-wise and what kind of cohort he has.
So, if you have background--wonderful. If not, we can at least evaluate
where you are coming from.
This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by hemy 10 months ago
His film highlights were taken anywhere from 8-11 months ago. We're all making assumptions on how this kid will play 3-5 years after this film was made. He hasn't even played his senior season or started his senior year of classes and he is already 6'3" and 250lbs. The kid's coordination has probably improved since his tape. He's probably improved in all aspects given today's work out and training methods. I played DE, TE and WR his junior year and has impressed the coaches so much that they offered him a scholarship almost immediately after putting him through the rigors of a football camp.
Given all that, I can't wait to see what this kid does his senior year, who all comes out of the wood work to offer him, and what star rating that he finally ends up with. He is big and athletic and fits the description of of the "big skill" position that Kelly and his staff are looking for. He's already athletic and if he puts on size then he'll be an athletic DL men!
I'll choose to take the wait and see attitude as opposed to assuming that, at best, we purposely just offered and accepted a bench warmer!!
well; would prefer you would relax in either event.
And, no I have no professional experience at recruiting or talent evaluation. But I did review the vids in comparison to Williams. And I and not going to even compare him to Carter or Latua? He sure as hell is not beating out Jaylon.
The only thing that should concern you is that regardless, I have rarely mis-read these kinds of things. But I don't expect you to take my word for it.
By the way as for this conversation, the prospect in question is not even significant; fact is you may be discussing Barry Gallop or Kallen Wade? What did the coaches see that I missed (missed?) Other tweeners of note were H Williams and Stockton and Newman.
But, relax it will be a long while before we know the results. He may put on some inches and some weight; growing into the DE position. But just fattening him up is not the answer.
And my feeling is that as it is because, I am just not a fan of 'tweeners'.
BTW: that was not the 1st camp attended. Are there vids of the other camps?
Have you seen or attended the camps?
One does not need to be a fireman to see a flames from a burning building to know it is on ? (fire?)
Great analysis, and I would love for him to take that route.
But, the offer really had nothing to do with the film that we are all looking at. What he did at camp, which even the staff doesn't have too much access to, is the reason he will be donning the gold helmet.
Even with an average film like he has... I am still super excited to welcome Mr. Bonner to the ND family!!!
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You ask---"what did the coaches see that I missed?"
Obviously, an enormous amount.
Tony, I have to agree that he does not look like an ILB, imo.
well the answer to this question is easy: we are looking at old tape and the coaches watched him live against their own stud OL commits. We missed seeing his camp performance.
as i stated in the commitment thread on bonner, he went to camp and "earned" a scholarship.
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