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hahaha... took me a second.
So, Lou are you saying that generally speaking that they too dont recruit 3-4 OLineman, even with "todays recruit"?? choosing just a couple and moving Dlineman over to offense?
I guess I'm looking at dividing it into Skill, Big Skill (tight end/linebacker types) and Power (linemen). I think in any given recruiting year you need at least six to eight Power (linemen), with the understanding that maybe some Big Skill can grow into linemen.
Even in an off year with six, my preference would be four defensive and two on offense. I'm not saying don't recruit offensive linemen at all. But the preference is if a lineman has good enough all-around skills, especially feet, then he can play defense as well.
I think we can all appreciate the logic, Lou. I'd just like to know which elite DL we initially recruited but cooled on. Whom should we have pursued harder but didn't (maybe a better question for Sapp)?
My feeling is the problem that elite DL are usually the least intelligent players; whereas, OL are usually the most intelligent players. It's easy to not only interest but also accept the OL kids at ND while elite DL talent couldn't pour it out of a boot and bounce around JUCOs if they can't even cut it at an SEC school.
Clearly CLEARLY there are exceptions to the rule, but wouldn't you agree that is fair on the whole? I wonder if Kelly and staff were more nearly taking what they could get this year? In other words, if there are no elite DL who have you high maybe take an elite OL and load up on DL (hopefully) next year?
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A very plausible case you present. I'm not inferring that the way Vinny and Co., did it is the only way, and can also appreciate how challenging it is to gain admittance for the elite defensive linemen. Getting two in per year can be a task, never mind four to six. The staff has a far better handle on it than I ever could.
They did do it in 2008 (Ethan Johnson, Kapron, Sean Cwynar, Hafis Williams and Brandon Newman), but that goes to my point that when you recruit four, you hope two can truly pan out for the defensive line, and in 2011 (Aaron Lynch, Stephon Tuitt, Chase Hounshell, Tony Springmann and Brad Carrico) — although Lynch transferred and Carrico had his football career ended for medical reasons. Attrition can catch up pretty quickly.
Given everything that has been said here, does it surprise anyone that ND passed on Tommy Schutt last year? Not sure where 247 rated him but Rivlas had him as 6th best D lineman and top 60 player in the U.S.
With Greenberry and Shepard out of the class and ample room, I'm still amazed we passed on this kid.
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I think Bama proves what a basic of the game is. You win most games from the line of scrimmage. A&M might have had Maziel but they also had a very good o line as evidenced by the fact that two of the tackles may well go in the top 10 of this years draft. The d line is also going to be represented by at least one if not more players in the first round. I think there is some under estimation of the talent that A&M had. They were far from weak on the lines and I would go as far to say that the lines are the strength of this years Aggie eleven. They did not beat Bama without some awesome big uglies of their own.
I also would like to point out that Schutt may turn out to be a talented player but OSU was not seep on the line and there was no Tommy to be found.
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