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Yes, it will take a few years but our ability to recruit better players will have a meteoric rise, particularly west of the Mississippi River. Being in the ACC will greatly benefit ND. I'm really confident. A new practice facility sure would help with the men's program. Just hope Coach Brey can bring them in. All the ingredients, minus the practice facility are there! Come on Mr. Swarbrick!!!! You put us in the ACC , knowing how powerful their basketball conferece is , especially with an infusion of former Big East teams. If Coach Brey can't do this then we need to find someone who can. I believe Coach Brey and his staff will get it done!
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by ndguy7 9 months ago
I like the idea but that will never ever happen.
When the big time recruits start rolling in you might change your mind. Remember Coach K's first three years at Duke? We are a national school with great academics. Our hoop arena is more than decent now! I'm keeping the faith. Go Irish!!! Watch out for west of the Mississippi River!!!
This post was edited by ndguy7 9 months ago
“This is that time when you say winning’s a choice.“
POTW 12/23-12/29, 2013
It was going to be Butler under Brad Stevens but now we have to see what Brandon Miller can do to build on what Brad Stevens did.
What about the Miller at Arizona? I like him! This is all on Mr. Swarbrick. He should be able to get it done in a big way!
I think being in the ACC hurts the ND Basketball Program if it was just ND making the move I might agree with you. But Pitt, Cuse, and Louisville are also making the move. All 3 of them have had a lot more success and they're in better Metro Area's.
ND is CHEAP, they won't be able to compete until they actually start pumping money into the program.
Get a new Gym or redesign the Joyce. Better Pay for the Coaches, get Adidas to give you some cool uniforms, and hit Chicago hard and Indiana hard for talent.
It's kinda sad the Chicago has the #1 & #3 Center prospects in Okafor and Alexander and Indiana has the #1 Power Forward and #3 PG and none of them are interested in ND.
I'm not sure if Brey has the academic exceptions that CBK has. But he needs one or two.
This post was edited by teo4heisman 9 months ago
This is basically what I've been saying. Come on Mr. Swarbrick you got us into the ACC fullly knowing what the real deal is in winning in this conference.Right on the money Teo, except our gym is more than fine. Also we must have the right coach before we pay more money out.Don't talk about it Mr. Swarbrick..... DO IT!!!!!!!
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by ndguy7 9 months ago
I'M TIRED OF LOSING.... THIS IS NOTRE DAME!!!!! IF THIS ADMINISTRATION IS NOT COMMITTED TO WINNING THEN JOIN THE CATHOLIC SEVEN! ON SECOND THOUGHT DON'T DO THAT, JUST GO ALL OUT AND PRESERVE OUR INTEGRITY. I'M ON A FOUR YEAR MONSTER REBUILDING PROGRAM. DO IT OR REEVALUATE OUR AD, WHOM I BELIEVE IN AND LIKE. Good night all you wonderful Notre Dame fans. Let's together '' WAKE UP THE ECHOES '' IN MEN'S HOOPS. IT CAN AND WILL BE DONE!!!
Holy caps-lock batman!
Boy I had fun tonight! Let's go Irish!!! If I go down, I'm going down fighting for '' THE IRISH ''.
The move to the ACC, in my opinion, about football. It's about guaranteeing a place in a major conference that could help football recruiting, because of its location, should the consolidation in football continue. Basketball and other sports are the buy in to be able to have a place for football if it's needed. Notre Dame will not, in my opinion, pay what is required to win big in basketball. It is perhaps even more difficult to succeed in basketball than in football at an institution where players are required to take real majors. Duke and North Carolina are good schools, but their athletes have easy programs which simply don't exist at Notre Dame. Lest you doubt this, Duke itself says that the requirements of student athletes are similar to those of most universities with major sports programs.
Unfortunately, many basketball players are from tough urban neighborhoods. They don't learn a lot in high school. There are enough exceptions to field a great team, but Notre most of the prima donna basketball greats don't want to go to a football school. And, make no mistake about it, Notre Dame is, was and always will be a football school first, foremost and forever.
Even where football is concerned, Notre Dame often ignores the program, hiring pathetic "yes men" like Bob Davie or total incompetents like Ty Willingham instead of real football coaches like Brian Kelly. It isn't to hire a great coach, but it's certainly not hard to do better than Davie and Willingham. In fact, better candidates were simply overlooked on both occasions, possibly because the administration has often suffered from not seeing that providing an Ivy League level education and being a football behemoth can be compatible. If Notre Dame won't give its football program the chance to succeed on a wholly consistent basis, it's not likely to do so for basketball.
ndguy7 : Once you sleep off the Guinness, and read what you wrote, you will realize that too much Guinness and posting aren't a good combination.
I was just having some fun. I would prefer Jack Daniels. HAHA
You serious Clark?
That's like comparing Iowa football to Notre Dame football.
its okay to dream....
Great basketball players will go to Football schools if they invest in a solid Coach and have the facilities. Florida gets some solid talent If ND hired Calipari, Williams, or Pitino and the ND Brass gave them a few exceptions we'd be getting that talent.
I wouldn't call Bob Davie a yes man. The guy tried to change ND football (Early Enrolles, Better Facilities) but he was shot down by the Admin. It's not like he had a lot of recourse ot leverage ND. You see the lengths CBK went to leverage ND last year.
I don't know who you think ND could have hired at that time. Davie was a hot Coaching Prospect who turned down a bunch of jobs to stay on as ND DC and at the time he took over the program we we're going on probation and our head coach who won us a National Championship was being run off.
That's not a very attractive job. Look at USC and look at PSU neither one of them made attractive hires before Probation was announced.
Seriously name the better candidates that were overlooked.
Good topic for the football off-season and thanks for "just
having some fun." While I would love ND to be more of a
college basketball force than it is now (even though I think
Mike Brey has done a fabulous job and is a heck of a coach),
I am aware that, unlike football where Notre Dame is a true
"royal blue blood" of the very first rank (my favorite phrase
is that "Notre Dame is the Rolls Royce of college football"),
it is not so in college basketball. And, I have come to accept
that we do not wish to expend the money,etc. to challenge
for "blue blood" status in college basketball.
I may not like it, as apparently, you do not. But, it appears
that such is the reality.
Thanx,again, for a refreshing mid-summer blast!
I'd rather go 0-32 than have dirtbags like Calapari or Pitino coaching at ND
Thanks Hemy.Most of what I said was tongue in cheek. I had a ball during a slow period. I have known for a long time ND is not fully committed to men's hoops.Sad isn't it?
Uncertainty in the football landscape was definitely a factor but really seeing the Big East crumble had a lot with the ACC move. Swarbrick saw the conference deteriorating, and it would be a major blow to almost every program if they had to compete in what is now the "AAC".
Your generalizations about basketball recruits are shaky - look at the list of top recruits these days and you'll see a lot of private / prep schools. Notre Dame simply doesn't have a history of consistently competing at an elite level in basketball during these kids lifetimes, and there are plenty of good academic institutions that offer that. The really elite recruits aren't really that interested in the academic piece anyways - they know they'll only likely stay for one or two years.
If you wanted to grade out Notre Dame on some of the typical criteria for choosing a basketball program, what is going to put you in the same category as a Duke, UNC, Kansas, or Kentucky? There's no track record of sending players to the NBA, no NCAA Tournament success or runs at a title, a Coach that is respected but not regarded as elite, and sub par facilities.
I would love to see ND basketball reach elite status but i just dont think it can happen, unless there is a different and better committment from the administration. I think they do a fine job overall, the team and Brey, considering a lot of times talent wise they are bringing a knife to a gunfight. This has been a great topic though and enjoyed reading the responses.
Two time Poster of The Week, 2011 and 2013.
Psychologists have a phrase for situations like Notre Dame men's basketball: Learned helplessness.
I think the head coach is good and more times than not the program reaches its ceiling during the regular season. The problem has been when the calendar flips to March, even during the 1968-81 glory years with Austin Carr and then Digger Phelps (other than 1978).
I agree with most of what you've said. However, I would say the Big East crumbled because of football consolidation, and that the ACC was the alignment of choice because it agreed to the points we insisted on for football and because it offers the most fertile recruiting ground while also serving major market areas.
I also agree that there are lots of good players at private preps. But, I still think that many of the best come from tough urban areas. I even agree that a school known for football can attract top hoopsters if it's willing to make the investment (a la Florida). But, your last paragraph seems to concur that Notre Dame is not an elite program now, and that it has no plans to make the investment necessary to change that.
Pretty neat topic while we await fall camp.
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