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The man has done a superb job at Vanderbilt. You go 8-4 there and you're going to be one of the hottest coaching prospects around.
Vanderbilt coach James Franklin is standing by his ballot in the final USA TODAY Top 25 coaches' poll in which he ranked unbeaten Notre Dame fourth behind three Southeastern Conference teams.
This post was edited by Lou Somogyi 19 months ago
i dont think he is entirely off base to say that his judgement is 100% flawed, but he does have a heavy bias.
that much is clear.
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Franklin got some brownie points with his fellow SEC coaches.
He is an arrogant SOB! He claims he knows so much about football, yet he doesn't have a clue of how to evaluate how good or bad a team actually is. Most of the teams in the SEC have subpar offenses > FL, LSU, and BAMA while possessing great defenses. With that being said, I think we are a lot like the top SEC teams, we play good defense, and we run the ball. Many of our best defenders come from SEC recruiting states. He is just a clown trying to keep his SEC brethren from running up the score on him, so that he can segue this job into another IMO.
Hey Franklin...Kiss My Grits! [anyone remember that show?]
In all seriousness...2 thoughts:
Bit of an inflated ego in an inflated conference. When he highlighted his litany of coaching stops, I had an eerie "Weis-ian" feeling.
Making judgement calls based on hypothetical "head to head" versus "body of work" is a potential "what if" rabbit hole. However, we may see this and more when the 4 team playoff dawns. Bound to be contentious...
Franklin sets a very, very bad precedent--one that probably is going to
get worse before it gets better, namely, the conferences lining up, one
against the other, for position, recognition and awards. The position thing
is the most troubling--that is, I vote for myself and my other conference
cronies above teams and players from other conferences no matter
what records or talent they may have. I do this and justify it by saying
that my conference is better than your conference and thus, the teams
in my conference are better than yours, period. This is exactly what
Franklin's rationale is.
I don't mind that conferences build themselves up but sooner or later,
we are going to have remove the conferences as decision makers
for who gets to play in the playoffs, national chamionships,etc. and who gets
awards. Otherwise, it going to become more of a joke than it already
The ballot (particularly the last one) should be about a team's body of work throughout the season. There is absolutely NO WAY you can justify a 2 loss Georgia team or a 1 loss Florida or Alabama team above an undefeated ND at this point. ND played a tougher schedule than Georgia and Alabama so there is no doubt we deserve to be ranked higher. After reading that article, the only thing that I have learned is that Franklin is both a moron and completely biased towards his conference.
He's grandstanding since he knows doing something like that will garner more attention nationally than what he's doing at Vandy. yea, he thinks he's making an educated decision but so are the other 99% that did rank ND 1 including other SEC guys.....i can see him ranking them 2 but 4 just proves the point that he's a grandstanding goofball.
He is missing the point. This ranking isn't supposed to be a power ranking of who is best team, but a ranking of who has had the best season. it is the reason why BYU won the NC in 1984. This isn't vote on the "best" team.
3 time POTW;
"The other thing is we've played Florida. We've played Georgia. We've played South Carolina (which Franklin ranked eighth). We also played Wake Forest, who played Notre Dame the week before (Vanderbilt)...
"What I do is I look at it and say, 'This team is at 12. Would the teams below them be able to beat this team?....So I look around and say, 'Should this team be ahead of them? They might have a better record, but if they played each other, who would win?' " Franklin said.
Yet...South Carolina 35 - Georgia 7 and he ranks Georgia #2 and So.Car 8th! He needs to revisit his process.
Translation: I'm a blind SEC homer and anyone that beats my team is obviously among the best teams in the country...........as long as they are in my conference.
Sorry Lou, you can leave out the "superb job" and "hot coaching prospect" commentary because its completely irrelevant to how Franklin voted.
Jealousy in it's purest form. Who the hell is this guy anyway? Franklin has proven to be an idiot not worthy of having a vote.
What Franklin doesn't understand (and he's not alone) is that it doesn't matter who he thinks is the better team. The coaches' poll is not intended for them to provide their inherenly biased opinions about whom would beat who. That is irrelevant.
He's right in saying it's "his opinion". However, it should be his opinion about what each team has accomplished. Stated another way: this should be a poll based on merit, rather than perceived ability.
There is still some room for judgement; so, it's possible that he could've arrived at the same ranking for ND. However, I think it is nearly impossible to make an objective case for those three teams over ND, especially Georgia. If he had ranked Florida ahead of ND, I wouldn't be too upset about it, as I think UF has played a harder schedule than ND. I would still put ND first, but I could buy that logic. You'd have a hard time convincing me that Bama or Georgia DESERVE to be ranked ahead of ND.
There are numerous, objective ways, to view SOS. I think most, if not all, would favor ND over Bama and UGA. They should really explain this concept to each of these coaches.
POTW 6.4.2012 - 6.10.2012 & 3.4.2013 - 3.10.2013
Let's not go handing out rose petals just yet...I like Franklin and the job he's done, but Vandy's 8 wins were vs. teams a combined 29-64.
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POTW - a couple of times, can't remember the exact dates
He is lucky pure and simple.
UT fielded the worst team they have had in years.\
KY = terrible
Auburn wound up being one of the worst teams in ANY league.
Benefit of playing Presbyterian and UMass.
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No down-vote por favor, gracias !
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These kind of votes and excuses have gone on for a long time but I am glad its comming to an end next year. The 4 team playoff is going with a selection committie that will factor strength of schedule and hopefully the all powerfull sec will be forced to atleast drop the fcs school in november.
I have watched Vanderbilt my entire life, up close and personal. It is difficult to argue that anyone who has taken Vandy to back to back bowl games doesn't possess coachng talent. However, as King pointed out, it does not get any easier in the future. Franklin's downfall is his arrogance and the belief that it was all his coaching ability that brought the 6-7 and 8-4 records. A great deal of it is timing.
From George McCyntire (San Jose coach's Mike McCyntire's dad) through Watson Brown on to Gerry Dinardo to Woody Widenhofer to Bobby Johnson all of those coaches enjoyed some "success" at Vandy and and all except Dinardo bought into the idea that they were the reason for the miraculous change - and stuck around too long to feel reality's bite. When I saw that Franklin had decided to sign that extension this year I just shook my head. He should have followed Dinardo's lead and bolted for higher ground.
It'll come around for James as well. Enjoy your pub there buddy.
This post was edited by MIDTNIRISH 19 months ago
POTW 11/9 to 11/15/2010
Is it me or does Franklin look like Mark May's little brother? Up yours Franklin, you biased, Team SEC tool!
5 Time POTW--Gringo Mafia Director of Guerrilla Warfare
Mea culpa. Wrong commentary on my part. If Franklin is getting full of himself, he'll likely come back down to earth soon.
I still do believe 8 wins at Vandy merits plaudits no matter how bad the competition is. That's not their fault. People were saying the same about ND's schedule ... Michigan State's not that good, Michigan's not that good, Oklahoma isn't of vintage stock this year ... USC is falling apart ...
That's not Notre Dame's problem. You still have to take care of business.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Lou Somogyi 19 months ago
I don't like Franklin's smugness but you can't ignore back to back bowls at Vandy. He's gonna be kicking himself though in a couple of years for not going to Arkansas.
So let me guess, every other college coach that casted a ballot is wrong, and Franklin is right. Generally when someone puts that foot in their mouth they seem to always have to push it deeper down their throat by coming up with the rationale that defends the absurd position. I guess we still have people that believe the world is flat.
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