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Don't shoot the messenger, but EV sure seems to be tweeting a whole lot more positively about this trip to Bama than he was in South Bend.
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What do you expect him to be tweeting? I don't think he's gonna talk smack about his Official visit when he's on campus. It means nothing. Irish!
Vanderdoes tweeted saying something like I love it in the south idk why people said I wouldn't fit, I definitely do. That does not sound promising
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He made similar tweets last week while at Notre Dame. Relax my friend!
Not looking good for the Irish. He seems to be loving his visit.
Of course he iss....
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I think your reaction is a tremendous overreaction
I didn't really expect it would suck.
I may not be pretty, but I'm fast.....
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I didn't expect it to suck either. But I read all of his tweets while he was at ND and he has definitely been much more effusive in his praise on this trip so far. Not saying that he will end up at Bama, but it will not shock me at all if he does.
I-W, don't read the tea leaves. It will give you more worry lines than you already have. The only words of Vanderdoes that matter will be those he says on Tuesday at 5 PM.
I think Bama is going to be the one to beat personally- hwo could they not? You dont have to worry about class- their second team will be in the league and they have hot chics:)
Who knows - only that kid does- but anytime Saban is on you- and you get the last visit- you better believe you got problems getting the kid
The degree. It means something.
He'll get home and think. His mom lives in that house.
It'll be ND or UCLA.
Saban right now like it or not is the best there is in college football. I don't like him but you have to respect the fact of what he has meant to college football most recent history. Maybe he is the reason why Urban left Florida.
a trip to bama isnt going to suck lol they got alot of tradition as much as us so here is my thinking he will think and what it will come down to is this he has to compare a bama degree to a ND degree we all know which is better i think he is irish my honest opinion but we will see it will be the best decision he will ever make.
Bama just stole a'shawn Robinson dt 5* recruit from Texas .... He wants to play now and deserves to ....bama has landed two 5* d tackles now and a couple 4* plus the depth they already have , sure he's a competitor and isn't afraid of competing but to bama he's just another guy ....the minute he steps on the south bend campus he'll be an instant contributor in the 2 deep without a doubt ...add that in with the notre dame degree I believe he's all Irish , I've been watching this kid grow since he was a freshman, I'm a strength and conditioning coach at one of their rivals Lincoln high school , I know this kid and his family ...he's smart, well raised , he has a good grasp of life outside of football if its not nd I believe he ends up instate at usc or ucla , just calm down guys looking like he's all Irish in my opinion
honestly think this is the first year some of the people here have followed recruiting...
First, have you ever heard a recruit say that he was having an awful time when at a campus during an official visit? I have not.
Second, I have a tough time figuring out what I am thinking, let alone trying to get in the head of an 18 year old. So what they say today, may not be what they say tomorrow.
Third, We (and I include myself in this) over-obsess with this recruiting ranking. It probably makes little difference in the long run as to which school ranks number 1 vs. number 5 in "recruiting" rankings. IMO, a more important ranking would be the ranking of a 2009 recruiting class in 2012. That would tell us both what the recruit actually accomplished, how they progressed and what the coaching staff did with that recruit in helping them progress. As way of example I sight Santrell Henderson. All world projection, number one ranked stud, when he was coming out of high-school and had every one salivating wondering if he was going to their school. What a soap opera. How would we "rank" him today? Compare that with Golden Tate. I'm not sure what his actual "ranking" was coming out of high school, but he clearly developed in college and became a stud in his Junior year, much through his own personal drive. (Note to Jason Sapp: I think this would actually be good material for a research project and future article. IMO, Much more important measurement is development and performance.)
Chill down. We are going to have a great class, regardless of whether we are 1, 2,3, 4,or 5. We have studs in this class.
A few things...
- Golden Tate was #11 overall by ESPN and a top-100 recruit by 247sports.
- We need players like Vanderdoes, period. Recruiting rankings are important -- the only people who think otherwise are the ones that make themselves believe it in order to justify losing.
- Henderson had bad news written all over him, from what I recall. We drop out of the race for those guys a lot of times -- Vanderdoes does not fit in that group.
MB, those are good points, but they might have been different from what DPD was emphasizing, or at least what I construed. His point was similar to one I had made recently about team rankings, and that it's probably not that big a deal in an individual year whether you're ranked 3rd or 8th, because those numbers represent the subjective evaluation of 20+ players, which means your error factor gets multiplied twenty-fold. The error factor gets smushed (sorry for the highly technical term) over a 3-4 year period if you're bringing in top 10-15 classes every year. The law of averages then turns in your favor. That's a different issue than wanting Vanderedoes. I haven't seen anyone here underestimate his talent, nor his importance to the Irish future. And, yes, that's a stark contrast to Henderson, which is why I view recruiting as partly a self-selecting process, and some of their decisions, though disappointing at the time, are more clearly understood down the road.
Regarding your comment #2, and my point concerning rankings coming out of high-school, is that there is a beach full of bones of recruits with promise that went nowhere or did not progress to the level of "expectation". I think it is more important to access what those individuals accomplished through their junior and senior years in college, something that I don't think we have a measurement for. (And by the way, I take exception to your comment about "...the ONLY people who think otherwise are the ones that make themselves believe it in order to justify losing..." Absolutely off the wall and offensive. Simply because you disagree with an opinion, does not allow you the right to categorize those others as losers.)
Concerning Tate...thanks for letting me know he was number 11 in one ranking service. Regardless, no question he improved dramatically while in school. In his Freshman year, as I recall, he basically only could run go routes. In his junior year, he not only could run precise routes, but always seemed to be able to out muscle a defender.
Concerning recruiting rankings in general, I'm not saying they are not important, I'm saying we over-obsess with them. Yes it would be wonderful to get Vanderdoes, and I want him, but if we don't get him, we still will do fine. We have a great class already. If that sounds like someone who justifies losing to you, I'd suggest you revisit your reading comprehension classes.
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