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Weis: "Almost a dream"

  • CW is confused. He became more confused at ND the longer he was the coach. I will not rehash the past. But, I think that this decision just confirms what I think. Something is wrong. But, for now, I will just chalk it up to CW being confused. I read somewhere that he really wanted a chance to be a head coach again. Likely he did not like being in a position where he did not have the final say. And, he deemed that it would take too long to get a head coaching job in the NFL [probably never got a call on any of the openings this year]. So, try college again. But, CW is not, nor will he ever be, a good college coach. He does not have what it takes. But, he is confused and thinks that he does.

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  • KingSolomon said... (original post)

    It's really a bit overboard to be questioning his parenting or his decisions relating to his family. You may not like him, but that's a bit over the line and unfair. We all have the right to make career decisions as we see fit - I personally am working in a manner right now that let's me be much more involved with my kids when I could be making much more money. Seriously, claiming that he's coddling his son is just looking for things to nitpick and criticize him with.

    I am also at a point in my career where I get to spend more time with my kids. It is great but my kids are 9 and 6 and not 18. At 18, you head off to college to make your own way in this world, presumably. Ask yourself this? If Charlie wants to spend more time with his kids, why take a job at all? He would presumably have enough money at this point to take a year or two off to spend it with his kids. Does make you wonder but it is his choice. You are right about that. C'est la vie!

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  • KingSolomon said... (original post)

    illest,

    What's gone down between ND and Florida since 2005? Not much, really. We haven't played them a single time in the last five years, and so all we've had are the typical recruiting battles that we have with many other schools out there. Do ND fans hate Florida so much because one of our former assistant coaches spurned us in order to go coach there and then go on to have a lot of success there? Do we hate them because they won a few recruiting battles? If that's what it is, I'm more disappointed in my fellow ND fans thatn anything else and I'd just say they need to get over it. Notre Dame is not the center of the universe, even though many ND fans seem to think it is.

    As for Weis "finding his true calling" in the NFL, that's merely speculation on everyone's part. I don't think he's ever said anything like that. At least I'm not aware of it if he has. Maybe his "true calling" is being an Offensive Coordinator at either level.

    I just think its rather sad that many ND fans seem to be "insulted" by this, as if Weis should make his personal and career decisions based on what hateful ND fans think of him. It's just sad that ND fans seem to be so hateful, period, since that's not supposed to be the "spirit of Notre Dame."

    That's fine if you want to look the other way or not care, King, but the fact of the matter is that he presided over the worst 3 year stretch -- one of the worst? -- in history and got paid gobs of money for it. I resent him less than Ty, and I really didn't have much animosity for him when he was fired. Again, I finally got to the point where I couldn't support him anymore after the Navy game in 2009, which I personally witnessed, but I still thought that a lot of his failures could be attributed to Willingham's poor recruiting.

    I looked past him having Charlie Jr. on the sidelines. I thought it was a nice touch, and I didn't understand why people got so mad about it. I didn't care that he had snot bubbles. I didn't care that he was morbidly obese. I thought it was poor taste to pay for a billboard that claimed he was learning on the job.

    But now, he goes to Florida. I don't care that we haven't played them. After Meyer spurning us for Florida and bringing along Mattison. After some of the most negative recruiting against us, negative recruiting that Weis, himself, witnessed and fell victim to...he's joining the enemy! I doubt Weis was ever offered, but would he have taken a demotion to OC at Notre Dame? He sure is willing to do it at Florida though...

    It's an insult, King. It's an insult to all the people who supported him for so long. I guess if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, right?

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  • I perhaps have already said more on this topic than the issue warrants. This morning - my anger has stilled. Now I am profoundly sad. Weis has not tarnished Notre Dame - he has tarnished himself. Let's hope that before this is all over ... he might begin to understand that integrity comes from someplace within ... and not the latest reasoning of ego and convenience ... and wanting to right a wrong that was not a wrong. He failed as a HC at ND. No dishonor in giving your best and it not being best. (Yes, look at Faust.) But to lower one's head, and act with less dignity because of resentment?

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  • This move means nothing to me. Florida will get a great Offensive Coordinator. You can say what you want about your displeasure in CW but the man knew offensive football and he knew how to recruit. However, he knew nothing of defense, special teams or being a head coach.

    The perplexing statement to me was Todd Haley saying that this is a good move for CW to spend time with his kids with his son wanting to go into coaching. That sounds weird to me. He isn't a freshman in college learning on the job he isn't even in middle school. Makes no sense to me.

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  • Klord1379 said... (original post)

    This move means nothing to me. Florida will get a great Offensive Coordinator. You can say what you want about your displeasure in CW but the man knew offensive football and he knew how to recruit. However, he knew nothing of defense, special teams or being a head coach.

    The perplexing statement to me was Todd Haley saying that this is a good move for CW to spend time with his kids with his son wanting to go into coaching. That sounds weird to me. He isn't a freshman in college learning on the job he isn't even in middle school. Makes no sense to me.

    Weis a Great Offensive Coordinator? Now, that is funny! roflmao

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  • Who is this Weis person we keep talking about?

    Just kidding. I have spewed all the venom I can muster from my glands for now.

    And Paddy, you are right on, Espn spent five years tearing Weis down. Why? Not becuse they hated him, his arrogance, his surliness, his braggert mentality; it was because he was the coach of ND. Now, they'll turn him into a sympatheitic figure.

    Did you know that Kelly has a son? Know what he looks like, ever see him on the sidelines? No. Because Kelly doesnt put him in the line of fire like Charlie did Charlie Jr. Ty didnt, Davie didnt. But Charlie? He causes lot of these problems himself.

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  • illest,

    I typed a reply and thought I posted it, and "poof" its gone! Oh well, I'll just summarize since I'll be afk for a while.

    I don't take what Weis does with his life or his career personally, and like I said I'm not a huge fan of his one way or the other. I just dislike the hate and pettiness I've seen on this board. The UF job is the premier coaching job in all of college football right now, whether ND fans like it or not. To be offered the OC position there would something very hard for anyone to turn down. Sure, Weis didn't succeed at ND but that's in the past. I think the guy loved ND and tried very hard to succeed, but it jsut didn't work out. He's moved on and I think ND fans should move on also instead of taking what he does as some sort of personal attack against them. The universe does not revolve around Notre Dame and it seems people just don't want to accept that fact (and maybe my pointing that out is why folks want to down-vote my posts today?).

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  • I don't give two $hits about Charlie "Chuck" Weis. I can't even believe I am taking the time to comment on a thread regarding him. Everyone on here just be thankful, he no longer has the keys to the Notre Dame Football team or the offense for that matter. I'll take every bit of BK (motivation, spread offense, recruiting) up against anything that slob has to offer any day of the week. And my opinion of either of them has not changed for the past 3 years in case you were wondering if I was jumping on or off a bandwagon at all.

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  • I just don't understand this outcry. Yes CW was a horrible head coach. But you seriously can't dispute his ability to recruit and Offensive Skill. Look at our offenses under BQ and JC. The problem wasn't about being able to score. It was about being able to stop anyone anytime. Look at our recruiting classes under CW. They were top 10 classes nearly every year. I know he had the "keys" to Notre Dame Football during a horrible time but to come out and say he isn't a great play caller is obscene.

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  • I just read where Weis is bringing Verducci with him to coach the OL at Florida.

    I still can't figure out why Muschamp would give CW carte blanche to bring Jr in as a student asst or whatever it is. Seems like that's the only reason CW is doing this.

    Odd.

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  • KingSolomon said... (original post)

    illest,

    I typed a reply and thought I posted it, and "poof" its gone! Oh well, I'll just summarize since I'll be afk for a while.

    I don't take what Weis does with his life or his career personally, and like I said I'm not a huge fan of his one way or the other. I just dislike the hate and pettiness I've seen on this board. The UF job is the premier coaching job in all of college football right now, whether ND fans like it or not. To be offered the OC position there would something very hard for anyone to turn down. Sure, Weis didn't succeed at ND but that's in the past. I think the guy loved ND and tried very hard to succeed, but it jsut didn't work out. He's moved on and I think ND fans should move on also instead of taking what he does as some sort of personal attack against them. The universe does not revolve around Notre Dame and it seems people just don't want to accept that fact (and maybe my pointing that out is why folks want to down-vote my posts today?).

    For starters, I didn't down vote your post. I don't agree with it, but I either give positive votes or ignore the post.

    You make some good points; so, it's worth responding. I don't wish Weis any ill will personally. As a person, I don't have any love or hate for him. As a person, I don't care what happens to ND on the football field or not. As a ND fan, I take Weis's move personally, and I hope he fails miserably there...as a coach. My inclination, though, is that he won't fail miserably there. He is being hired to do the one thing he can do, and it just so happens that he is better at it than most people in coaching. That's part of why it galls me so much...as a ND fan.

    Now, how is the Florida OC position the most coveted in the country? Had he taken the Florida HC position, I would have to agree with you, and I would also be licking my chops at the thought of UF taking a nosedive with Weis at the helm. But that isn't the job. He will be the OC at Florida. He was the OC at playoffs-bound Kansas City. How is the Florida job a step up? By any professional measure, he's taking a step down. The X factor in this has to be his son.

    That then forces me to think about the monumentally terrible decision to extend his contract midway through the first year, the real irony of which is that he ultimately went to another program not because he was hired away but because he sucked so bad that we fired him. One year later, he's back in college...at the school that challenged us for recruits and negatively recruited against us more than any other. Yes, I know all schools are vying for the same kids, but do you really mean to say that Florida has been no more prominent than any other school? Surely you jest.

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  • Klord1379 said... (original post)

    I just don't understand this outcry. Yes CW was a horrible head coach. But you seriously can't dispute his ability to recruit and Offensive Skill. Look at our offenses under BQ and JC. The problem wasn't about being able to score. It was about being able to stop anyone anytime. Look at our recruiting classes under CW. They were top 10 classes nearly every year. I know he had the "keys" to Notre Dame Football during a horrible time but to come out and say he isn't a great play caller is obscene.

    He is a great recruiter and OC. There's no disputing that as far as I'm concerned. But he's taking that to Florida. FLORIDA! Like I said, the only places worse, to me, would be USC or Michigan.

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  • Personally I think the guy is average offensively at the college level, and he proved that at Notre Dame. Go back and compile the numbers/stats for his tenure and you would be surprised. I remember being let down over and over again by the offense as well, not just the defense during his tenure. good riddance.

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  • brenner_f said... (original post)

    Personally I think the guy is average offensively at the college level, and he proved that at Notre Dame. Go back and compile the numbers/stats for his tenure and you would be surprised. I remember being let down over and over again by the offense as well, not just the defense during his tenure. good riddance.

    You sir are EXACTLY correct! Charlie was not a great OC at Notre Dame. He was at New England and may have been one at KC but not at Notre Dame.
    Look at the stats from the 2007 season which ranks as one of the worst, if not the worst, offensive team in the history of Notre Dame football.
    Weis' rushing offenses were awful and their average rushing total per game were among the worst in Notre Dame's history for 4 out of the 5 Weis years.
    His scoring offense steadily decreased from year 1. In year 3, Notre Dame did not even average 20 points per game! His last 2 years at Notre Dame, his team could not convert in the red zone and did not average more than 26 points per game. That is a direct result of poor play calling.
    Charlie's reputation as a play caller and as an OC at the college level is vastly overrated!!! But, clearly, he is thought of very highly amongst the college coaches because I see no other reason why he gets the job as OC at florida.

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  • You know what ! I don't care what Charlie does and I defended him as long as reasonable because he inherited a crappy situation thanks to and I use this term a loosely as possible) coach WWW - i- lll-ing ( I just can't say it) Good upper classmen and nothing below. You look good for the first two years and then dog shite. His time is gone and what he does is not important even if somewhere down the line, we play Florida.

  • Weird.....we lost quite a few recruits to florida the past couple of years....now CW can finally coach them hahaha

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  • illest,

    I think you misinterpreted some of the things that I wrote. First, I didn't say that the OC position was the most coveted in college football - I said that the "Florida job" is, meaning HC job. My point about that was that he's taking a job in a premier program that was very recently on top of college football and that could rise very quickly to the top again. That's very hard to turn down for these guys (if Michigan State or Syracuse or Vandy were calling, I doubt they'd even get him on the phone unless it were a short "no thanks" from Weis). He may see UF as the chance to get a college ring to match those Super Bowl rings he shows off. Who knows. Unlike others, I haven't been one to make declarations about what he's thinking.

    I also never said that the job he's taking is a "step up" from KC, either. There's certainly nothing wrong with him taking a lateral move or even a "step down" if that's what he wants to do for family reasons or whatever reasons he chooses. Are you suggesting that the only reason he could or should leave KC is if the next job he takes is perceived by others as being better on a career track? As far as I'm concerned, only Weis can decide what's best for him and his family and only he knows everything that goes into his decisions. I find it very petty and unjustly condescending of everyone else to judge him and try to judge what's in his heart and mind and to not only imply that he's somehow a bad person but to directly make disparaging remarks.

    I also never suggested that Florida hasn't been a prominent opponent of ours in recruiting battles, but whether Weis goes there or not they will continue to be a prominent opponent in that regard. Just like the past five years, we'll continue to win some recruits and lose some. That's just how it goes (and I'm always amazed and amused when I see how bent out of shape some of our board members get when a kid decides to go elsewhere). I have to say that I agree with your apprehension about the effect that Weis' presence will have at UF - and I think that's what's really getting at you. You're absolutely right in saying that he's a great recruiter and OC, and I'm in agreement that this doesn't bode well for the rest of the SEC and possibly other national contenders. This development should be unsettling for every other school that considers itself to be a contender or wants to be a contender (like ND), not because Weis is a bad guy and is somehow a traitor or b@stard, but because he's very good at what he does and this immediately elevates UF, or at least that's how I see it right now.

    If he's making this move primarily to help out his son - which we don't know if that's the case or not - then good for him if that's what he wants to do. I'd gladly sacrifice something important to me if it paid huge dividends for my kids, and so would the rest of us. I appreciate that your problem with this new development isn't based on a personal hatred for Weis but is based more on the apprehension of how this improves UF. I can respect that.

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