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Weis and Kansas

  • anyone else actually pretty interested to watch Weis next year and see how his Kansas team plays against Big 12 competition. Hes got Dayne, a few ex ND players and coaches and just hired Dave Campo as his DC. Very interested to see what he can produce there or if his product will be mediocre as it was at ND. Also want to see if he learns from his mistakes and makes any changes there or goes with his stubborn "keep it this way" philosophy.

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  • I'm with you Merlin. Very curious to see if Dayne will excel in the system in which he was originally recruited to play. I think the transition to the skill-set required by Kelly's system was a rough one for him, so it will be interesting to see if he'll end up proving his 5-star ranking after all. I'm not entirely sure Weis has the ability to succeed longterm if he continues the patterns he set up at Notre Dame.

    On a related note: I'm also somewhat curious, skeptical, insert word of your choice here about his bringing in other ND players and former coaches... Now I know this won't be a popular opinion among those who blame Kelly for everything bad that happens in the world, but I almost feel like Weis's continued interaction with a lot of these ND guys after his departure meant he had a stronghold on more than just the university/program payroll these past couple years. From a student standpoint, nothing wrong with staying in touch with someone who was your mentor, but you've got to wonder the impact that contact may have had on the other guys who were really trying to go all in with the new coaching staff and plan. Now that Weis has his own program to play with again, and his recruits are continuing to transition out of ND through graduation/transfer, one hopes that whatever negative impact remained will go with them.

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  • Weis + Kansas = Epic Fail.........Weis + Anything worth anything = Epic Fail

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  • @Kinsiah. I have often thought the same thing. There is and will be residual effect. Crist doesnt want to see that, but Weis does. Crist is too classy to lower himself into spite, but Weis not only isnt, but in Weis' defense, he has seen through all of the comments BK has made attacking him. "We have to redo the culture" "his fundamentals were very flawed before we got here, but we've straightened it out"... these all implicitly point blame at the previous regime.

    The bar is SO low at Kansas. One could walk backwards and go .500 next year with Crist at the helm. He does deserve a great year and we hope he propels himself into the draft.

    My fear is that BK doesnt have little, well equipped with anecdote enemies spread out over the land anti recruiting ND. This is why the 'likeability' factor has to be high. Brady Hoke, Les Miles, Dabo Sweeney have that type quality... BK could use a bit more of it.

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  • Not so much interested in Weis as I am seeing Dayne succeed. He deserves to have something good happen for him as it relates to football. As for Weis, I never was a fan of him from day 1, so whatever.

  • kansas aka Notre Dame lite is now my second favorite team.... Charlie is a Notre Dame guy who was not ready to be a head coach at such a high profile school.... i wish him the best and cant wait to see him next year with Crist

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  • Weis is just head coach material. He makes a good play calling asst. coach & that's about it.

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  • shamrocknation said... (original post)

    Weis + Kansas = Epic Fail.........Weis + Anything worth anything = Epic Fail

    Charlie is one of us he is a graduate of Notre Dame. I for one am rooting for him and wish him well. Sometimes things just dont work out. I can guarantee he did not want to fail. Also the man has been a part of multiple Super Bowl championships. Things just fizzled here.

  • merlin08 said... (original post)

    anyone else actually pretty interested to watch Weis next year and see how his Kansas team plays against Big 12 competition.

    I certainly wish Dayne nothing but the best! If ever a guy deserves a run of good fortune it is him. Same for the other former ND players on that team.

    Regarding CW, I have no ill will, and hopefully he will do well. I think the odds are against it. As for my overall interest level, I will say I'm mostly indifferent.

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  • Charlie for sure learned from certain mistakes in his approach or so he said, quite sincerely, in his KU press conference. I believe him. Couple that with an extremely low bar at KU and he can only look like a hero. Might even win the Conference in 5 or 6 years. For reasons that I didnt much care for his "well they are gonna have to fire me"(translation: pay me), his stock lowered in many an eye. Still, I wish him well, but wish us better.

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  • DakotaEcho said... (original post)

    kansas aka Notre Dame lite is now my second favorite team.... Charlie is a Notre Dame guy who was not ready to be a head coach at such a high profile school.... i wish him the best and cant wait to see him next year with Crist

    Ditto

  • itwillnotrain said... (original post)

    Charlie is one of us he is a graduate of Notre Dame. I for one am rooting for him and wish him well. Sometimes things just dont work out. I can guarantee he did not want to fail. Also the man has been a part of multiple Super Bowl championships. Things just fizzled here.

    Don't get me wrong, weis is a great coach just not the head type, great offensive coordinator and recruiter BUT when coaches such as weis hop off the coattails of a great coach (e.g. Belicheck, and i don't even like the pats), then these coaches might not carry the success that the endured with a winning program, graduate or no graduate

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  • Kinsiah0220 said... (original post)

    I'm with you Merlin. Very curious to see if Dayne will excel in the system in which he was originally recruited to play. I think the transition to the skill-set required by Kelly's system was a rough one for him, so it will be interesting to see if he'll end up proving his 5-star ranking after all. I'm not entirely sure Weis has the ability to succeed longterm if he continues the patterns he set up at Notre Dame.

    On a related note: I'm also somewhat curious, skeptical, insert word of your choice here about his bringing in other ND players and former coaches... Now I know this won't be a popular opinion among those who blame Kelly for everything bad that happens in the world, but I almost feel like Weis's continued interaction with a lot of these ND guys after his departure meant he had a stronghold on more than just the university/program payroll these past couple years. From a student standpoint, nothing wrong with staying in touch with someone who was your mentor, but you've got to wonder the impact that contact may have had on the other guys who were really trying to go all in with the new coaching staff and plan. Now that Weis has his own program to play with again, and his recruits are continuing to transition out of ND through graduation/transfer, one hopes that whatever negative impact remained will go with them.

    this is why fans of other universities make fun of nd fans. everyone else is at fault

    except the person in charge. do you know why dane crist when to kansas? not because

    charlie weis has some magical powers, it's because he fits better into that offense. and

    what coaches from brian kelly's staff left to go to kansas? if my count is correct it is zero.

    i think charlie was just a tad bit busy the last couple of years coaching to have his

    interaction with "nd guys" mean very much.

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  • I have to laugh when people still blame CW for everything that goes wrong at ND. It is like Obama blaming Nixon for things that are not right. Oh hell, forgot CW is not NDs coach anymore.

  • newman39 said... (original post)

    this is why fans of other universities make fun of nd fans. everyone else is at fault

    except the person in charge. do you know why dane crist when to kansas? not because

    charlie weis has some magical powers, it's because he fits better into that offense. and

    what coaches from brian kelly's staff left to go to kansas? if my count is correct it is zero.

    i think charlie was just a tad bit busy the last couple of years coaching to have his

    interaction with "nd guys" mean very much.

    Newman, never once did I say that Brian Kelly wasn't at fault for things that happened this season. I'm an eternal optimist when it comes to whomever is the current Notre Dame coach, as I was with Weis until the end of his regime, because I want everyone in that role, and by definition Notre Dame, to succeed. That doesn't mean I am ignorant to mistakes made by previous or current coaches. At no point did I say "everyone else is at fault except the person at charge." There was no reason for you to bring this to the level of personal insult and condescension, as you clearly have no indication of who I am as an ND fan.

    Besides, this thread isn't about what's wrong with Brian Kelly (there are plenty of those.) In my post, I was simply addressing the specific topic that was raised here, which is Charlie Weis and his new team that happens to have a number of former ND guys involved in some way. (Also, please note that I made no mention of any current coaches leaving ND for Kansas. I'm well aware that Kelly's staff left for schools other than Kansas.) It has been well-documented that Weis continued contact with "his guys" through this season, no matter how busy he was elsewhere.

    It is reasonable to consider that there is some impact on those players, and therefore, the team chemistry as it evolves from one regime to the next. As another poster astutely pointed out, Kelly has made no effort to disguise his opinions of how things were done here before, so there is surely some difficulty in being a young man on a team in the midst of a transition from one staff to another, especially when there is clearly negativity involved.

    Personally, I hope Dayne has a good year. And I hope Charlie Weis learned enough from his experiences at Notre Dame that he'll be able to find success as a head coach somewhere else.

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  • Kinsiah0220 said... (original post)

    I'm with you Merlin. Very curious to see if Dayne will excel in the system in which he was originally recruited to play. I think the transition to the skill-set required by Kelly's system was a rough one for him, so it will be interesting to see if he'll end up proving his 5-star ranking after all. I'm not entirely sure Weis has the ability to succeed longterm if he continues the patterns he set up at Notre Dame.

    On a related note: I'm also somewhat curious, skeptical, insert word of your choice here about his bringing in other ND players and former coaches... Now I know this won't be a popular opinion among those who blame Kelly for everything bad that happens in the world, but I almost feel like Weis's continued interaction with a lot of these ND guys after his departure meant he had a stronghold on more than just the university/program payroll these past couple years. From a student standpoint, nothing wrong with staying in touch with someone who was your mentor, but you've got to wonder the impact that contact may have had on the other guys who were really trying to go all in with the new coaching staff and plan. Now that Weis has his own program to play with again, and his recruits are continuing to transition out of ND through graduation/transfer, one hopes that whatever negative impact remained will go with them.

    Very astute observation ... I believe, although I have no proof, that "good ole alum & loyal son" screwed his alma mater over. This guy meddled with the current team to its detriment...I for one home he loses and loses royally....not to be critical.

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  • Kinsiah0220 said... (original post)

    Newman, never once did I say that Brian Kelly wasn't at fault for things that happened this season. I'm an eternal optimist when it comes to whomever is the current Notre Dame coach, as I was with Weis until the end of his regime, because I want everyone in that role, and by definition Notre Dame, to succeed. That doesn't mean I am ignorant to mistakes made by previous or current coaches. At no point did I say "everyone else is at fault except the person at charge." There was no reason for you to bring this to the level of personal insult and condescension, as you clearly have no indication of who I am as an ND fan.

    Besides, this thread isn't about what's wrong with Brian Kelly (there are plenty of those.) In my post, I was simply addressing the specific topic that was raised here, which is Charlie Weis and his new team that happens to have a number of former ND guys involved in some way. (Also, please note that I made no mention of any current coaches leaving ND for Kansas. I'm well aware that Kelly's staff left for schools other than Kansas.) It has been well-documented that Weis continued contact with "his guys" through this season, no matter how busy he was elsewhere.

    It is reasonable to consider that there is some impact on those players, and therefore, the team chemistry as it evolves from one regime to the next. As another poster astutely pointed out, Kelly has made no effort to disguise his opinions of how things were done here before, so there is surely some difficulty in being a young man on a team in the midst of a transition from one staff to another, especially when there is clearly negativity involved.

    Personally, I hope Dayne has a good year. And I hope Charlie Weis learned enough from his experiences at Notre Dame that he'll be able to find success as a head coach somewhere else.

    Well said, Kinsiah. When there is coaching transition, the impact of the prior coach always lingers into the new regime. It is literally impossible for that not to happen. Some of that impact can be mitigated if a coach makes a clean break from the school and his ex-players. Apart from that, I wish nothing but success for Dayne Crist at Kansas, and beyond, as he appears to represent that frequently used phrase: a real Notre Dame man.

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  • Weis and Crist are both ND men, so I wish them success other than that I will just check out the scores.

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  • HamOnWry22 said... (original post)

    Well said, Kinsiah. When there is coaching transition, the impact of the prior coach always lingers into the new regime. It is literally impossible for that not to happen. Some of that impact can be mitigated if a coach makes a clean break from the school and his ex-players. Apart from that, I wish nothing but success for Dayne Crist at Kansas, and beyond, as he appears to represent that frequently used phrase: a real Notre Dame man.

    and maybe it lingers because the current head coach just won't let it go.

    even if kelly feels this way, he should have just kept quiet. sounds like

    excuses to me.

  • newman39 said... (original post)

    and maybe it lingers because the current head coach just won't let it go.

    even if kelly feels this way, he should have just kept quiet. sounds like

    excuses to me.

    No, Newman, it lingers with any former coach, regardless of what the current one does, but in this instance, both Weis and Kelly fed into it. They both should have kept quiet, but the difference is that Kelly pays the price for what he and Weis say, while Weis can just sit by idly, and smile.

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