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Gunner Kiel was the #1 QB prospect in the country which we all know doesn't mean a whole lot. But I'd love to be a fly on the wall during offensive staff meetings. EG is a freshman, GK is a freshman. Just wondering if there's a point where Gunner actually separates himself from the competition and gives Powlus, Clausen and Quinn a run for their money in the all-time yardage category.
Golson is a redshift feshman who will go into camp as the starter with Kiel nipping at his heels. But if he continues to struggle in the mental aspect of the game, I feel Gunner will come out of camp as our starter for 2013. Sky is the limit for the kid.
Nothing to see people..
Move on, move it along
Nothing to see
But listening to the III podcast(the best of the bunch), apparently "the word around ND"(Sampson's words, which are good), the staff has been a little surprised with Kiel with regards to his football IQ, but not in the good sense. With his football family and all, I think they were expecting more. So, while I do agree that there will be a competition, but this time with a FAVORITE, Im not sure if we should expect Kiel to slingshot past anyone due to his knowledge of the position/offense.
hs rankings can really be off base, as they are mostly numbers driven. and it's getting pure silly to be ranking kids that are still sophs or even hs jr's. and, uh. just how many "can't miss" qb's in college are still riding the pine in the nfl?
Run the ball.
Stop the run.
You win, or lose, up front.
What we were saying in 2011:
"Rees is a junior with a 12-4 record who will go into camp as the starter with Golson nipping at his heels. But if he continues to struggle in the physical aspect of the game, I feel Everett will come out of camp as our starter for 2012. Sky is the limit for the kid."
What we'll saying the second Kiel struggles, overlooking the fact that the overwhelming majority of young quarterbacks struggle:
"Kiel is a redshift feshman who will go into camp as the starter with Zaire nipping at his heels. But if he continues to struggle in the mental aspect of the game, I feel Malik will come out of camp as our starter for 2014. Sky is the limit for the kid."
... and so on. As Lou Somogyi always says (quoting the Eagles): "They will never forget you until somebody new comes along."
The team is 6-0. No reason for Golson to not get at least the entire season to prove whether or not he can be the future of this team. Personally, I think a highly rated quarterback should get more than a season to establish whether or not he can be the man. There just isn't enough evidence one way or the other to cement Golson's legacy at this point.
This post was edited by John Haynsworth 18 months ago
Coachcft, I'd give more credence to what Jason Sapp has to say on this subject as to what he is hearing than Sampson. From the scouting reports I have read on Gunner, the mental part of his game is what made him the #1 QB last year. Also one of the rivals analysts was on Bill Kings show saying how Gunner was the most ready QB mentally to come out of HS since Matt Barkley.
John, I see what you are saying in regards that we were saying the same thing about Golson last year. But after seeing him for half a season I'm starting to get the opinion that he is more of an athlete with a strong arm than a true QB. The decision making aspect of his game is severely lacking which puts the offense at a big disadvantage right away. Like we were with Rees the past couple of years, we are winning in spite of him, not because of him. If we had a good QB we would be running away from these teams this year. And honestly Golson was not a highly rated QB coming out of HS. He was an average 3 star. Everyone assumed it was only his size that held him back from being a top 100 guy but seeing him now makes me see it was other reasons as well
He was a four star QB, according to 247, Scout and ESPN. Rivals rated him as a 3-star.
Nonetheless, he's a young quarterback. It's no surprise that he's a mixed bag at this point in his career. It's not like he's been a complete disaster. He's had good performances as well this season. We're going to have to take the bad with the good with a first-year starting quarterback, lest the program get caught up in a quarterback controversy/carousel that rarely ever works out well for any football program at any level.
I have to wonder if any of you watched Braxton Miller last year. he was far from a finished product and no where near what he is this year for the Bucks. I would expect Golson to improve by a good 30 per cent next year and if it is decided Gunner is the guy we will have to live through the same learning curve next year with him that we are experiencing with Everett. I have nothing again Kiel and am sure he will be given an opportunity next year in the summer but lets wait to see how that turns out before we start anointing him or even Golson as a starter next year. I somehow doubt that he will stay to play one year or that all our qbs qill stay around to do that. I hope Gunner is so good that he forces his way into the line up if he can cause then in my opinion he would be quite special. I expect though that Everett will qb the nest two years then graduate and go on with his life. That would leave Malik and Gunner to shoot it out for the next starting qb for ND. There are the chance of se3ason ending injuries to any of these guys that would change the playing field in the long run.
Gunner and Malik will battle it out. While Golson brings some elements to our team, I believe Gunner and Malik will bring those same elements (escapability, creativity) to the position while bringing better and quicker decision making to the position. JMHO. I believe they will be our future at QB, especially if Golson keeps getting replaced by Tommy. Going into 2013, I expect Gunner to seize the position.
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Totally agree with NDGuy.
Also you can't compare Golson with Miller because Miller was a true ftosh ladt year. Golson is a second year player who has had 2 springs, 2 summers and half a season this year. If you really want to compare him to another first year starter as a red shirt, how about Johnny Manziel from A&M? About the same size, same experience but far and away a much better player
Everett has played 6 games this year. Can anyone honestly say they have seen a lot of improvement? This past game he was 50% passing, missed numerous reads, still unable to make proper checks at the line, and fumbled 3 times. We should be seeing more growth by now, not regression
He's the next great Notre Dame quarterback that many on this board will want benched in a few years in favor of Zaire. SMH
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