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Why ND can't play with the big boys

  • Sure Stanford has a great QB, but they are better than us in every other way. More athletic, faster, stronger,
    tougher, more sophisticated on defense and more physical on offense. What makes me sick is that 5 or 6 years ago, the situation was reversed. ND was physically stronger, but obviously not now. And, that is very sad to see.

    We think that we have recruited some very athletic players and then when we play top teams, we see that they don’t compare with the other teams athletes. We are meat and potatoes and always will be compared to top teams.

    The most common things said to explain our shortcomings have been that we run the ball better than we used to and Kelly has not had his type of QB.

    Concerning the fact that we run the ball better than we used to run : All year long, I have posted that I did not have confidence in this offensive line against really good teams and in certain situations. We have run better this year, but look what happens when we face a very good team. We can’t run the ball and we can’t protect our QB well enough. Also, our success has been because of a very weak schedule

    I am convinced that ND will not consistently return to the top ten or 15 until we can run the ball against anyone, and physically beat up and wear down other teams. And, this won’t happen with the spread offense.

    Concerning not having the right kind of QB: The spread offense works for some teams, but I don’t think that we get the kind of athletes at ND ( or enough of them), to succeed running the spread and win against very good teams.

    True, getting his type of QB will help our offense tremendously. The spread is a multiple offense and under Kelly, we always will be more of a finesse team than a physical, running team. It is more about keeping the other team off balance with cleverness and variety. There is no fullback to lead block. Backs often run sideways before heading up field. We just don’t beat the shite out of people and we are not full of guys with Florida and west coast speed. And, we never will have that kind of speed so we need to pound people.

    I posted that I hoped that we would not get embarrassed again in a night game on national TV as usual.. Well, we showed some guts and did not fold in the second half, but we still got embarrassed on national TV. We had some injuries and may have been nervous, but that is no excuse for our play. Hendricks proved how much better our offense would work with a QB who can run, but we definitely have to get a lot more physical and break the will of another team which I doubt will ever happen in Kelly’s spread offense.

    I don't want us to become a Woody Hayes offense, but with Stanford, MSU, LSU, Alabama the run is the main threat and then they pass off of it. They do not have running QB's. We need to get our QB more often back under the center so we play action pass more. We will never be Oregon. If you saw the Stanford- Oregon game. Oregon is much faster than the team that out quicked us last night.

    Defensively, scrap the 3 man defensive line. It also only works against a certain level of opponent.

    A side note concerning our lack of redshirting: Stanford is a young team with 6 redshirts and a 5th yr. Sr. on offense and 5 redshirts and a 5th yr. Sr. on defense.

    I may be wrong. These are just opinions, but that is what I think that I learned from last nights game.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by irishm 3 years ago

  • I also learned that ND outscored Stanford 14-7 in the second half with Hendrix playing and that score came on a slip by Motta on that horrible field. Now, I will not blame the footing entirely, Motta needs to be able to control his weight when shifting and make sure the balance of his weight is on the proper foot, but that field was terrible.

    ND held the almighty powerful strong herculian Stanford to 131 yards in the second half last night, including the 55 yard bomb.

    BK has preserved the eligibility of about 15 players the last two years.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by wjasonp 3 years ago

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  • Unfortunately Wjasonp, we count the whole game.

  • irishm said... (original post)

    Unfortunately Wjasonp, we count the whole game.

    My point was that is was a breath of fresh air seeing Hendrix in the game instead of Rees and that was a glimpse of the future. That offense was much more dynamic, it kept Stanford off balance the entire second half.

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  • irishm said... (original post)

    Unfortunately Wjasonp, we count the whole game.

    "Sure Stanford has a great QB, but they are better than us in every other way. More athletic, faster, stronger,
    tougher, more sophisticated on defense and more physical on offense. What makes me sick is that 5 or 6 years ago, the situation was reversed. ND was physically stronger, but obviously not now. And, that is very sad to see."

    Just don't see it that way. I think if we had had above average quarterback play for the entire game, the game and result would have been very different. I thought our defense in particular was as good overall as theirs. The difference statistically on the defensive side was that we were defending the best quarterback in the country (which affects their ability to run the ball as well). They were averaging 45 points and 500 yards +/- a game coming into this game.

    As for the offensive line, I think we lack some depth there and that hurt us last night. I think there were times this year when the O line played very well and sometimes things that may statistically look like an O line problem, are at least in part, a problem with something else.

  • Thoughtful, detailed post... Stanford was clearly the more physical team last night. They took it to us for 60 minutes on both sides of the ball.

  • m, that's a very solid post, and I completely agree with you. It was a sixty minute game, and the tougher, more physical team won, even though the ND defense performed very respectably. It will take more than an athletic quarterback to take ND's game to the next level.

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