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Irish QBs: What Have We Learned?

  • BORGHI,

    I know you're better than that because you've come across as a nice gentleman before.

    What Tsulliv08 basically is stating is what if you had a son like TR and you'd be so proud to have him achieve all he already has in his young life just to get into Notre Dame ... and then have adults rail on him because he's not what we want him to be at quarterback?

    There's nothing wrong with engaging in discourse that the program needs to head into a different direction, and it's visible to all what his limits are. I would bet none of us are more aware than Brian Kelly. But what purpose does it serve to rag on someone who is doing the best he can with the talents given him and no one else on the team was better at the time?

    I know how you feel because that's exactly how I felt about another former No. 11 QB at ND when I was a teenager (Rick Slager). Yet looking back on the time and circumstances and through the prism of having failed so often in my own life, I have empathy for him and admiration for the work he's done off the field.

    Lou Somogyi

  • OK ..TR is third string...

    BORGHI

  • BORGHI said...

    OK ..TR is third string...

    Fair enough. I have no problem with that statement.

    Sorry for singling you out, too, because you're definitely not the only one who has taken a cheap shot. It was just that your post forced a response.

    POTW 6.4.2012 - 6.10.2012 & 3.4.2013 - 3.10.2013

    Tsulliv08

  • Agree with Lou, that was a terrible thing to say about TR. I put that in the same boat as "Usleless Miles comments about GK. Be proud of everyone that wears the Blue&Gold and do not publically knock them because YOU think he cannot play. I am sure another QB will surface this fall, agree I do not think it will be TR, but I will support whoever it is.

    GO IRISH!!!

    Commish

  • It means there is a MAC coaching staff that can't develope talent, especially at the QB position, and ND will be 6-6 next year and Swarbrick will put out feelers for a new coach, but my guess is ND 8-4 under Kelly for ever and that is fine with Swarbrick and the priests

    svsubalum

  • Commish said...

    Agree with Lou, that was a terrible thing to say about TR. I put that in the same boat as "Usleless Miles comments about GK. Be proud of everyone that wears the Blue&Gold and do not publically knock them because YOU think he cannot play. I am sure another QB will surface this fall, agree I do not think it will be TR, but I will support whoever it is.

    GO IRISH!!!

    You are promoted to CEO. Great post.

    Papillion

  • Tsulliv08 said...

    I was encouraged by the play of the QBs on Saturday. Not that they looked spectacular, but that there seems to be some separation, now. It's clear Kiel will preserve a year and TR is digging a deeper hole, leaving Golson and Hendrix to compete for the job.

    I have to applaud BK. His handling of the QB competition, this spring, was excellent, IMO. Rarely, will a incumbant starter be outplayed by two newcomers (or relative newcomers). BK and his staff, took steps to ensure a level playing field. We all heard the reports that Rees was leading the competition, through the first 14 practices, which is too be expected. If you took a C student in 5th grade, back to 2nd, he'd likely be the smartest 2nd grader. That's no slight to Rees, I don't think this competition was designed for him to win. If it was, all four guys would be responsible for the entire playbook, versus just the basics. Any advantage TR had, coming into spring, was severely muted by this stipulation.

    Now, I know we can't count TR out, nor should we. If he truly was the best performer through the first 14 spring practices, that cannot be discounted. However, the 15th and final practice cannot be evaluated equally with the others. No other practice generate a live playing atmosphere, in front of tens of thousands. Not only is the B&G game the last practice (so, the team should be sharper than the previous sessions, presumably), but it is also the closest to the atmosphere of a live game. EG's and, to a lesser extent, AH's performance on Saturday vindicated BK's handling of the QB race. Seeing both of those guys outperform TR, in a controlled environment, could be a tipping point in this race.

    This performance should give the idea that someone other than Rees will start, plenty of momentum heading into the summer. This cannot be understated, IMO. The most important component of selecting a starter will be trust, of coaches and players, alike. The coaches cannot have much interaction with the players for the next three months, but these players will spend almost every day with each other. Surely, this thought is creeping into their minds, if it hadn't already. This provides an opening for EG and/or AH to take on more of a leadership role. If TR had outperformed the other QBs in the B&G game, after reportedly leading the pack during the rest of spring, there would be less of a window, if any window at all, to "win over" the rest of the team.

    Doubt is not usually a good thing, but when inciting change, doubt is very powerful. I hope that EG and/or AH use this summer & fall camp to convince the coachs and, more importantly, the players, leaving little doubt to whom the starter should be. I'm not rooting against TR, but I am doubtful (there's that word again) that he can erase the doubt and uncertainty his play has caused.

    This is just my speculation/interpretation. I'm sure I probably sound like Mel Gibson (in Conspiracy Theory, not the homemade tapes with his Russian GF). However, I really think BK wants someone other than TR, much like the rest of us; however, he knows that it has to be earned. His format, may have just provided that opportunity for someone else.

    Checking through this thread again, and Tsulliv08, this is really POTW material. Don't know who is picking this week, but really good stuff here.

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    dave83nd

  • ndpalazotto9 said...

    great read, Golson has get to be the qb what i saw yesterday running the zone read extending plays with his feet and having great arm strength on a few throws the guy gives us the best chance to win.

    Good post:Oppoents never to worry about worry about Tommy Rees putting the ball down and running down field,with EG, like you said, he will make extend plays, his WRS will have the abilty to get open because of Golson extending the play, which never happened last season.

    canuck118