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Is There Almost Too Much Knowledge Today?

  • In the 1980s and early 1990s, most of Notre Dame's football practices were open to the media. There was an understanding between the print media and the coaching staff of what would remain private, and if we stepped outside of those lines, "abuse leads to restrictions," as Lou Holtz told us.

    The advent of the Internet around 1995 changed everything. Practices needed to be closed, and now every little detail seems to be highlighted, and the need to find any little morsel is a victory (substituting for the game): This player was 15 minutes late to a meeting, so he received no reps in a practice. This player has a girl friend issue, that one is pissed about an altercation, this guy sneezed in the weight room and might be coming down with something, this prospect had an Egg McMuffin wearing a Notre Dame hat ...

    Above all, trying to read the tea leaves of a recruit, reading his Facebook status, twittering his account ... it almost seems a shame that football season gets in front of the main issue — recruiting — although games do serve a benefit by being able to bring in recruits for the games. Before last year's Notre Dame-USC game, it seemed there was far more attention on the prospects who would be at the game then actually winning the doggone game.

    I can't complain because this is how we make a living and God bless you all ... but does our insatiable "need to know" every little detail almost seem to ruin the overall experience for some, and make football more like a soap opera than a sport?

    This post was edited by Lou Somogyi on 4/17/2012 at 8:02 PM

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  • Lou Somogyi said...

    In the 1980s and early 1990s, most of Notre Dame's football practices were open to the media. There was an understanding between the print media and the coaching staff of what would remain private, and if we stepped outside of those line, "abuse leads to restrictions," as Lou Holtz told us.

    The advent of the Internet around 1995 changed everything. Practices needed to be closed, and now every little detail seems to be highlighted, and the need to find any little morsel is a victory (substituting for the game): This player was 15 minutes late to a meeting, so he received no reps in a practice. This player has a girl friend issue, that one is pissed about an altercation, this guy sneezed in the weight room and might be coming down with something, this prospect had an Egg McMuffin wearing a Notre Dame hat ...

    Above all, trying to read the tea leaves of a recruit, reading his Facebook status, twittering his account ... it almost seems a shame that football season gets in front of the main — recruiting — although games do serve a benefit by being able to bring in recruits for the games. Before last year's Notre Dame-USC game, it seemed there was far more attention on the prospects who would be at the game then actually winning the doggone game.

    I can't complain because this is how we make a living and God bless you all ... but does our insatiable "need to know" every little detail almost seem to ruin the overall experience for some, and make football more like a soap opera than a sport?

    In short: Yes.

    CFB was more enjoyable to me 15 years ago than it is today. All sports were. But the advent of the 24/7 news cycle and the need to fill air space with talking heads has caused everyone to analyze everything until it is just pounded down our throats. It's tiresome really, and most of it isn't even very intelligent or insightful, just hot air.
    Anyway...thank you ESPN for ruining what you cover.

    IrishWon

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  • Yes, Rain man, you know too much.

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    Jimbo Makovici

  • Complicated question but simple answer...Yes, way too much.

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    kking

  • There is way too much knowledge and it's one of the reasons I haven't enjoyed the games as much as before (final scores aside). I think I liked it a lot better when I was in the dark about recruiting, practice.....pretty much everything. I watched the games and read about them on Sunday and Monday. I made the "mistake" of joining one of these godforsaken sites and it's been downhill ever since.

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    GIGA

  • Blame Al Gore.

    texasdomer1

  • There is definitely more information than we grew up with, and we don't know how to react to it yet. Like kids who get into daddy's hidden stash, we're both smitten and dangerous--daddy hasn't caught on that we use his big-boy toys when he's not looking. He's moved the stash a bit (closed practices) thinking we would never find it again, but we're much craftier than he's aware of yet. From here, it's a race to see if we can mature out of this stage and reach a comfortable equilibrium before we spin out of control and he catches us red-handed and puts a lock on the box (bans social media, etc.).

    Of course, we'll find that key eventually, too...

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    Guyjin

  • texasdomer1 said...

    Blame Al Gore.

    Post of the day to me lol

    POTW 10.1.2012

    Guyjin

  • Is There Almost Too Much Knowledge Today?

    Well, if there is, I don't have much of it, so don't blame me.

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    dave83nd

  • No question about it --too much tea-leaf reading, speculation, meaningless
    questions, pharsing of phrases and words, etc. For example, on another site,
    five pages of posts focusing on BK's use of the word "quit" in reference to Aaron
    Lynch(did he mean it, what did he mean, could another word have been used,
    etc).

    Look at the absolute nonsense about Louis Nix's tweets this week.

    I doubt there is one person on this board that would have been caught
    dead listening to and then watching the TV soaps. Yet, as you so correctly
    stated Lou, that is what we, with a mighty assist from the media, have
    turned sports into.

    This post was edited by hemy on 4/17/2012 at 8:34 PM

    hemy

  • Lou Somogyi said...

    In the 1980s and early 1990s, most of Notre Dame's football practices were open to the media. There was an understanding between the print media and the coaching staff of what would remain private, and if we stepped outside of those lines, "abuse leads to restrictions," as Lou Holtz told us.

    The advent of the Internet around 1995 changed everything. Practices needed to be closed, and now every little detail seems to be highlighted, and the need to find any little morsel is a victory (substituting for the game): This player was 15 minutes late to a meeting, so he received no reps in a practice. This player has a girl friend issue, that one is pissed about an altercation, this guy sneezed in the weight room and might be coming down with something, this prospect had an Egg McMuffin wearing a Notre Dame hat ...

    Above all, trying to read the tea leaves of a recruit, reading his Facebook status, twittering his account ... it almost seems a shame that football season gets in front of the main issue — recruiting — although games do serve a benefit by being able to bring in recruits for the games. Before last year's Notre Dame-USC game, it seemed there was far more attention on the prospects who would be at the game then actually winning the doggone game.

    I can't complain because this is how we make a living and God bless you all ... but does our insatiable "need to know" every little detail almost seem to ruin the overall experience for some, and make football more like a soap opera than a sport?

    All the information can be a double-edged sword. I remember the days when you couldn't just look something up online (my students think I'm super old for this), and you still managed to go through life okay. Now, we have everything at the touch of a button, and sometimes knowing a little of everything makes you miserable. Ignorance is bliss, right? All the hype definitely can take away from the game itself, but for me, it also adds to it when I know enough to think of the people on the field as more than bodies with a football. It hurts that much more when they lose, but it makes the wins that much more fun. The important distinction is getting information without all the crap around it. You guys here at B&G do such a great job of providing the facts without sensationalizing everything.

    The real issue though: Was it the prospect who was wearing a Notre Dame hat, or was it the Egg McMuffin? Because if anyone ever gives me a McMuffin that comes with accessories, that'd be a noteworthy win.

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    Kinsiah0220

  • Lou, if you hadn't already used up your eligibility, I'd give you the POTW for that post, because it's my call this week, and you wrote what's been whirling around in my head for a long time. However, as Kinsiah suggests, it cuts both ways. The idea that enhanced access to information would be a good thing, was a good thing. It's just that once that door was open, it became an information feeding frenzy. For years, it's been changing at a pace well beyond our ability to cope with it, either by law or parental/authority control. Actually, the law is like that, too. Laws are passed to address certain issues, or redress certain wrongs, but they inevitably leads to unanticipated change, and new problems arise. No action without a reaction. So, you take the good with the bad. But, yes, it is a problem, and in the particular situation you address, I really have to question whether the positives that came with the growth of information, outweigh the negatives.

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    HamOnWry22

  • I think there is. And I think there is way too long of leash given to players to use social media as a way to vent frustrations and the such. If it were me I would ban Twitter but since it won't be at least have some repercussions if someone is using it as a way to put a teammate or the team down or bitching non stop about the school they attend. I agree with people who say that these sites can consume you now year round with up to the second news and year round coverage. I remember why I decided to join. It was after reading an article in the Newark Star Ledger about how Notre Dames recruiting was going downhill and how they were looking for diamonds in the rough. Abdel Banda was given as an example. I didn't know a lick about recruiting until signing day just like everyone else but wanted to find out why they were struggling to get top talent. It's made following ND more enjoyable but also more frustrating. I know though I will probably never give it up that's for sure. It's an addiction and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise. Honestly there may seem like a lot of people follow our teams as closely as we do but it's simply not true. We are in a very small minority that the majority think are freaking nuts with no lives. I'm actually quite proud of that.

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    jameskroner3

  • I know this sounds absolutely insane, but I miss how "recruiting" was in the 1970s. Sometime around May, after spring practice ended, South Bend Tribune sports editor Joe Doyle would do a column on the people who signed with Notre Dame.

    There would be a basic "just he facts ma'am" review with heights, weights, hometowns and high schools. Some tidbits would be interspersed, like if his father was an ND graduate or played college football, or if a brother plays elsewhere, or if he's from the same high school as a former ND player. The coach, Ara Parseghian or Dan Devine, would make the obligatory, "We think we have a fine group of young men for the future, but it will take some time before they are ready," statement ... and that would basically be it.

    You just knew that if ND signed them, they had to be good athletes. Same with Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma, USC, Alabama, Nebraska, Penn State ... if they go to those schools, they have to be pretty good. Now, let's compete.

    Today, the paralysis by analysis just takes away some of the joy for me. Videotape breakdowns, is he a 4.55 or 4.57, three-star or five star ... It's like asking what time it is and then taking about the watch to go in depth. (Does anybody really know what time it is?)

    Lou Somogyi

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  • Exactly!

    Relative to social media and culture in which we live today. There is a reason we are living in the so-called "information age." Every school plays by the same rules. The ones who adapt to change the best and even use to their advantage are the ones who thrive. It's like everything else is life, anything has the potential to benefit you or harm you depending on how you decide to be affected by it. ND uses social media/internet to it's advantage in selling merchandise, tickets, online streaming & broadcasting and getting it's brand out there. They are making a fortune via the web.

    My luck w/the Irish 18-6...GO IRISH!!!

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