Rockne's Roundtable

Set aside the sick situation.You can say whatever you want about Temple and Rutgers and beating up on those teams, but alot of teams have weak non-conference schedules. Say what you will, but the number of games he has won is still pretty impressive.

Irishmack91: Exactly the point. He has a lot of wins and has had some great teams, but many, if not the majority, of his wins were against real creme puffs. They were independent, played a very weak schedule, and pounded many really terrible eastern teams. However, since it was a long time ago, most people have forgotten or simply look at the number of his wins. Once he joined the Big Ten, he still did well and finally faced some descent competition, but in those early decades his schedules were a joke.

As an Irish fan whose teams played some easy games, but also played Pudue teams with Le Roy Keys, Bob Griese,etc, Duffy Dougherty's tough Bubba Smith type MSU teams, Mckays USC teams etc, I was always pissed at Penn State for their easy schedules and their unmerited high rankings.

Don't forget once some of those eastern doormats rebuilt ,like Syracuse, he stopped playing them.He also never seemed to mind putting 60 or so on Rutgers when they were really bad.He was a Tom Osborne type,play one tough game a year if you win claim your National champs.He was also very jealous of N.D.because they could stay independent.Remember when they were forced to join the big ten he said Notre Dame used to be a college now it's a bank.Referring to the NBC deal.just Like his record the man is a phoney

Drug abuse and child rape is not even in the same ballpark. You're right, no one runs to the cops first. If i had caught Sandusky, he would've been lucky if I only went to the cops!!
Comparing JoPa letting a child molester roam free around his campus and Kelly not knowing about safety regulations for a scissor lift is the grosses comparison I have ever heard.
Bro, you are seriously unbalanced person if you really believe what you are writing here...

Ok, inappropriate touching is much better. Great point....

I don't know how to argue with someone that is making excuses for JoPa...Here is a fact, I work in the corporate world. If one of my people told me that they caught a coworker inapropriatley touching a child in our building you can bet your ass that I'd bring that SOB in and the authorities would be involved....and I would need to ask one of my superiors to make that decision.
You are comparing grown up situations to child abuse. It just doesn't jive in my book, and neither does your arguement.

Well, the Grand Jury found that Curley and Schultz lied. So, yes, McQueary might've been so shell shocked and in disbelief that he couldn't fully articulate what had happened to Paterno, but I'm with Paddy here: you don't need graphic details to make this a priority.

Did Paterno ever follow up with Curley or anyone? He was in the most powerful position of anyone there. He didn't have to worry about losing his job. He could've gotten some resolution. Hell, he even admits now that he "should've done more."

It's a terrible position that a number of otherwise innocent people were put into, but there are consequences for actions (and inaction).

He was told of inappropriate touching. Not of raping a child. There is a huge difference whether you want to see it or not. He didn't drop the ball back then. It's easy to make that statement now.

Not sure if you have kids or not, but lets pretend for a moment that you do....one of your coworkers tells you that they just saw a naked 60 year old man in the shower with your naked 10 year old son and he was......as Joepa put it.....fondling and touching your son. So what you're saying is that as long as he wasn't raping him....no reason to call the police, right????
I live a little over an hour from campus and needless to say there are alot of loyal fans around here, many of which i work with. All but 2 of the fans i spoke to today agree that he had to be fired and that he should have done more to stop it from happening again. After reading some of the grand jury testimony to the other 2, they even began to understand the scope of what this all means...By not following up with his boss, and the school allowing Sandusky to keep an office at the school for another 9 years and that was after 2 "incidents" it pretty much shows that the school and Paterno took alot of time to think about it and put the reputation of the university above the rights of an innocent child.....

so i'm going to ask you again.....if it was your son.......no reason to call the police????....

And no, i don't have kids.........Just morals.....

I have morals as well. However, if a coworker came to me and said they think they saw someone inappropriately touching a child. I would have done the same thing. Reported it to my superiors for them to handle. Once again we are not talking sodomizing. There is no question on that one. I didn't see it first hand and I wouldn't ever charge someone of child molestation without having first hand knowledge or the child saying something happened. Child Molestation is obviously a very serious crime and even being charged with it whether innocent or guilty could potentially destroy a man's life. How many employers do you know do background checks and would even take two seconds to look at you if that charge shows up on your background checks or internet searches. Innocent or not. Even if innocent if something hit the papers or the internet that you were being questioned for it then everyone will be invading your life and looking at you differently. That is a charge you have to be sure of before pressing charges. In hindsight I agree with Joe should have been done more. That is an easy judgement call since we know the outcome. However, at that time he was dealing with a distraught GA that didn't know how to deal with what he saw. Clearly couldn't articulate what exactly he saw. And I assume was second guessing what he saw from the time he walked out of the facility. It isn't as cut and dry as everyone wants to make it. I'm not defending the monster Sandusky. I hope they don't terminate him because that will be getting off easy. I would prefer him to sit in Prison because I am sure they won't take kindly to his type of offense. I'm not arguing PSU terminating Joe Pa was wrong because it was obvious that would happen when the story leaked earlier in the week. However, I don't think Joe Pa is a monster. I don't think he is a scum bag. I think it is wrong that everyone is jumping down his throat saying it is his fault. Where are the posters jumping down the throat of the administration that gave Sandusky his own office after retirement. Which I will admit is fishy that Paterno reports the Sandusky problem and then he retires after the season but PSU admin still give him an office. Where are the posters jumping down the throat of Second Mile. Or the posters jumping down the throat of McQueary who actually saw the event. It seems odd to me that everyone is using Joe Pa as the point man when there are clearly more people in this situation that had more first hand knowledge and more power to stop this than he did. I think it is wrong that posters are attacking Paterno saying he was a has been coach with a joke for a coaching record. Even to the point that a poster said he has dementia. This event had nothing to do with his coaching ability, health or record. This scandal will forever be tied to him but it doesn't change who he was as a coach. He will always be one of the best coaches ever in College Football History. Similar to other athletes tied to crimes that they either committed or were a part of.

As a side note if someone told me my son was being touched I wouldn't call the police until I talked to my son. Then talked to the person who supposedly touched him to get their stories. Then if I still didn't believe I would probably take him to the hospital for a checkup after a stop at the police station. If remembering correctly, a key missing piece to PSU Admin's fault and/or the Police's fault is they didn't search out the victim.