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(Kinda) OT: This is how you recruit/evaluate/develop talent

  • John Haynsworth said...

    You assume I care. I don't.

    You are so wrong! I just cant figure out how a lazy writer can be on such a talented staff.

    sportsfansb

  • John Haynsworth said...

    Notre Dame's value, according to Forbes is, nearly $20M more than Alabama's. Even in a profit slump, Notre Dame still pulls in $2M more than Alabama, also according to Forbes' research, annually.

    That's an advantage, and Notre Dame hasn't shown a tendency to use that advantage in unacceptable ways, but rather to use it to fly an assistant coach from South Bend to LA to Hawaii and back every week to land a 5-star linebacker who fits the Notre Dame mold. Notre Dame can do things like that to compete.

    And I'll even give you the alumni network. It all lends to my point - Notre Dame has the resources to compete. Notre Dame football isn't Northwestern football. That is a program that is truly limited in how they can recruit and build a program.

    Notre Dame is Notre Dame. We all say it; we all believe it. You get 85 players on your roster. There are more than 85 qualified elite athletes over any given four-year span.

    You don't need thugs and dumb-dumbs exclusively to win. It's like when Charlie Weis said he could go out and recruit thugs and "win tomorrow." Yet that logic didn't explain losses to Navy.

    The kids are there. Notre Dame has to do a better job of utilizing its resources to get them to campus. And then from there, the staff has to do a better job of developing them. Because, again, not all of Alabama's elite athletes after 3-4 years on campus were home run prospects coming out of high school. Many of them were developed into elite athletes.

    I understand ND's value is greater than Alabama, but there are rules to recruiting and visits that limit what a 'healthy' university can do. I know you are well aware of that, so I don't see how being worth more money gives ND a distinct advantage.

    As to the rest of your post, well stated. The last paragraph is spot on! I do firmly believe Kelly is right on track to having ND where we all want it to be.

    Coda

  • sportsfansb said...

    You are so wrong! I just cant figure out how a lazy writer can be on such a talented staff.

    You're the only one on this thread whose argument has broken down to the point of personal attacks ... and yet I'M the lazy writer. I've made a living writing for years, with Blue & Gold and after leaving Blue & Gold. So you're opinion of my writing ability is absolutely worthless.

    Again, no one cares about what you think about anyone personally. We're debating points about Notre Dame football, not each other, because for the most part most of us don't really know a damn thing about one another. If you can't handle civilized debate, then perhaps you're better suited for one of the other sites where personal attacks are the norm.

    John Haynsworth

  • John Haynsworth said...

    You're the only one on this thread whose argument has broken down to the point of personal attacks ... and yet I'M the lazy writer. I've made a living writing for years, with Blue & Gold and after leaving Blue & Gold. So you're opinion of my writing ability is absolutely worthless.

    Again, no one cares about what you think about anyone personally. We're debating points about Notre Dame football, not each other, because for the most part most of us don't really know a damn thing about one another. If you can't handle civilized debate, then perhaps you're better suited for one of the other sites where personal attacks are the norm.

    To hell with this. What is this Left Hand Brewing you speak of?

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  • Coda said...

    I understand ND's value is greater than Alabama, but there are rules to recruiting and visits that limit what a 'healthy' university can do. I know you are well aware of that, so I don't see how being worth more money gives ND a distinct advantage.

    Of course it's an advantage. It gives Notre Dame more flexibility - and I've given you a specific example of how the flexibility has benefited Notre Dame. Sure, specifically compared to Alabama, perhaps the advantage is minimized, but it still exists. And compared to a number of other programs that might follow Alabama's lead, it's a huge advantage.

    But you're focusing perhaps too much on the financial advantage I've cited. Notre Dame has plentiful resources, financial among them, that should give them an advantage.

    John Haynsworth

  • 19BlueAndGold85 said...

    What is this Left Hand Brewing you speak of?

    Grab yourself a sixer of 400 Pound Monkey (if you like IPAs) or Milk Stout or even the Milk Stout Nitro (if you like darks) and let your taste buds do the explaining for me.

    John Haynsworth

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  • John Haynsworth said...

    Grab yourself a sixer of 400 Pound Monkey (if you like IPAs) or Milk Stout or even the Milk Stout Nitro (if you like darks) and let your taste buds do the explaining for me.

    Quite a ways away from Colorado. Is it available in Indiana ro Illinois?

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  • 19BlueAndGold85 said...

    Quite a ways away from Colorado. Is it available in Indiana ro Illinois?

    I get it in Austin, Texas. I know the Nitro just rolled out nationwide earlier this year. If there are beer stores near you that care more about their customers than to stock only crappy light beers, then you might have some luck there. Otherwise, I'm certain a Whole Foods or the like would stock it.

    You might also be able to find it on tap at a bar that has a healthy selection of craft beers.

    And for your viewing pleasure:

    Play

    How to pour the perfect Nitro pint

    http://www.youtube.com/v/OFBqW7Z3H00

    John Haynsworth

  • John Haynsworth said...

    Of course it's an advantage. It gives Notre Dame more flexibility - and I've given you a specific example of how the flexibility has benefited Notre Dame. Sure, specifically compared to Alabama, perhaps the advantage is minimized, but it still exists. And compared to a number of other programs that might follow Alabama's lead, it's a huge advantage.

    But you're focusing perhaps too much on the financial advantage I've cited. Notre Dame has plentiful resources, financial among them, that should give them an advantage.

    You're right, I think I was focused in on that specific example. Thank you for pointing that out. Comparing ND to other schools, I can see your point.

    Coda

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  • John Haynsworth said...

    Let me know when they award National Championship trophies for graduation rates and that will be a legitimate retort to this discussion. This is a college football board, not a college calculus board.

    Another poster mentioned the other day that Swarbrick said he saw Notre Dame coming around to Alabama's level on the field. Early in Holtz's career at Notre Dame he told Vinny Cerrato that the Irish needed talent like Alabama's. Perhaps someone should have reminded those guys about graduation rates.

    It's amazing that Irish fans are so defensive about the state of the program that we can't recognize an impressive effort relevant to what happens on the field. This puts to paper why Alabama has been so dominant under Saban.

    Ill take two National Championships over graduation rates, its ND its not like they are not going to graduate players but when you have really good ones they tend to leave early for something called the NFL

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