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Let's call a spade a spade; Floyd screwed up our football season

  • Bobirish21 said...

    I really don't care about the "crime". Its the decision to commit the same "crime" a second time. When Crist was hurt, yes, most of us were prepared to give up on the season and we were wrong. The difference is that Crist is not a star. Up to this point, Dayne has been an average player. Some, including me, were thinking that he should have been replaced before his injury. Floyd is a star. If you were asked "are we a better team with MF?" wouldn't every one of us say yes?

    Bob, since I brought up the Crist comparison, I'm going to respond to this. Of course, Crist's talent doesn't compare to Floyd. However, when Crist went down, the next man in was a raw freshman who, in his only appearance, looked to all the world like a deer in the headlights. Wide receiver cannot be compared to quarterback, either in importance or in the likelihood of a true freshman being able to step in and do the job. When Crist went down, you tell me how many people weren't thinking, oh my God, we just gave the keys to the Ferrari to a kid with a learner's permit? The only rationale for wanting to replace Crist would have been resignation to a lost season, so let's go into rebuilding mode, because Rees was not a blue chip recruit and had shown very little indication that he would be ready in his prior stint. Instead, we were all pleasantly surprised, and even amazed, that he could step in, lead the team to four victories and put up some decent numbers. Now no one player is going to be able to "fill Michael Floyd's shoes." But, adversity often has a way of creating opportunities for unforeseen growth, and it is not out of the question, that collectively, the wide receiving corps and tight ends upgrade their performances, that quarterbacks do not lock in on one receiver, that some unheralded player outperforms his recruiting service star rating. Am I predicting this will happen? Of course, not, any more than anyone would have predicted Rees was going to lead ND to four victories, or the defense would suddenly go into lockdown mode. Or, for that matter, that there would not be a substantial drop off when we lost the best tight end in the country to an injury. Obviously, a game or two could be lost because Floyd would have made a play that someone else didn't. Or it might not. There are all kinds of possibilities and outcomes. We're one day into spring practice, so we have plenty of time to see how things will unfold.

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  • svsubalum said...

    I don't think Floyd sees the field again. ND is under a microscope on a regular basis, and the University has it's own microscope. Goodbye Floyd and hello the Sun Bowl next year!!!!

    No matter what ND decides to do, the least influential reason in that process will be what anyone outside of Notre Dame thinks they should do. Plus, ND can not go to the Sun Bowl next year but I got your point on that.

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  • A better "title" for this post that was created could have been posted,or edited by now,but the content of what is in everyone's post is more important than the "title" chosen! Anyway, my reply:

    I'm sure this was his last chance over the weekend to blow off steam before spring practice started. I'm sure he never set out on Saturday night to wind up in the position he is in! The pressure that he was under prior to Saturday night, is nothing to what he is experiencing now! I am in no way making an excuse,but would like to see him achieve the success that his Mother, and he set out to do,when he came to Notre Dame. He is facing a tough time, that needs everyone around him support. Just remember, his Mother is in Minnesota,not in the next room to help him with this self inflected disaster that he caused himself! At this point, he needs the support of his teammates, his coaches, counseling sessions.The Notre Dame community needs to also step up,and find a way to lend him a hand. I've read too many post that everyone just wants to bash,cause that's what they only know how to do. He could of left for the NFL, like some other selfish athletes did recently, but he choose to stay at ND,finish his degree, and help the resurgence of a football team I think he truly loves! Does anyone truly think that Michael Floyd does not know down deep,the honor of getting and fullfilling a Notre Dame athletic scholarship? If that was the case,than why did he come back for his Sr year at Notre Dame? Yes, he screwed up as clearly as has pointed out by everyone,but obviously he needs some help! This is no time to turn your back on someone,that everyone agrees,can use and needs some help and guidence. Throwing him out of ND, suspending him from football games, does nothing to help him understand the seriousness of drinking, or drinking and driving. People who get convicted of DUI, dont have to loose there jobs, quit going to class, or get kicked off football teams. What they do need to do, is be supported, educated, and rehabbed, and show that they do "get it." I think for the most part, Michael Floyld has given his all to Notre Dame, the football program, his respect to get a education, and to all the fans. I'm sure no one in this world feels worse about the position he is in, except maybe his Mother. So can people try to help him head in the right direction, do what any other 21 yr old adult would need help facing? Maybe others that have or are still doing the same thing as he has been caught doing, can learn for this very horrible position, he now finds himself in! He's human, and made a human mistake, that he must "face the music" for! That's the unfortnate problem and truth that he must now face. He'll learn from this legally in society,and Residence Life should see he gets that help,and not turn there back on him for his mistake.They need to still try to do the right thing for Michael Floyd, and every other student who comes to Notre Dame for the education they all need to use in LIFE!

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  • HamOnWry22 said...

    Last year, when Dayne Crist went down, nearly every Notre Dame fan felt the season was over because of the anticipated drop off in talent in his replacement. Let's give it some time before we declare the sky has fallen.

    agree hammy. no doubt his skills would be missed, but there are others ready and able to step up and show off their skills as well. after all, that's why the pundits rate recruting classes right? and who knows, with possibly one less receiver, maybe BK will attempt to run the ball more often. well, probably not......shrug

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  • As I have sit read and absorb the comments and facts of the Michael Floyd situation I am thankful that I am not Father Jenkins or res life or anyone that must over see this situation with Michael.

    Notre Dame du lac a University founded in the faith of the Roman Catholic Church has difficult task. They on one hand need to be rooted in the Grace, Mercy and Love that our Father shows in Christ, yet must show that the standards that we must walk in are high and that there are often severe consequences for behavior that can hurt or do damage to others lives and that are against the law.

    This is what truly makes Notre Dame different than OSU/Florida/ other public universities that obligation is to the law of the land. Notre Dame has higher calling to answer to, a higher responsibility and that is to live the faith it is founded in and in Our Father in heaven.

    In the last year Notre Dame has dealt with many difficult situations including the loss of Declan Sullivan.

    This is another difficult time for the Notre Dame family but it is these times when Notre Dame shows why it is different and special as they show the strong hand of Our Father while showing the heart of Our Father.

    May our Father in heaven give Father Jenkins and those who lead the University the Wisdom, Grace Mercy, Strength and Love to guide those young men and women into the Light of His presence.

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  • NJIrishND23 said...

    If someone told me I could go to Notre Dame for free, play football, and possibly make millions from it, and part of the deal was to make sure I never got publicly intoxicated; then guess what - I would make sure I never got publicly intoxicated.

    This is very easy to say and be all high and mighty about now, but when you're 18-22 and surrounded by it, it's much harder to do. Not saying drinking and driving isn't stupid nor is it hard to avoid, but to not drink in public at all isn't the answer. Holing oneself up in the dungeons known as the ND dorm rooms, would drive one to suicide.

    Bish727

  • EDJ2010$ said...

    A better "title" for this post that was created could have been posted,or edited by now,but the content of what is in everyone's post is more important than the "title" chosen! Anyway, my reply:

    I'm sure this was his last chance over the weekend to blow off steam before spring practice started. I'm sure he never set out on Saturday night to wind up in the position he is in! The pressure that he was under prior to Saturday night, is nothing to what he is experiencing now! I am in no way making an excuse,but would like to see him achieve the success that his Mother, and he set out to do,when he came to Notre Dame. He is facing a tough time, that needs everyone around him support. Just remember, his Mother is in Minnesota,not in the next room to help him with this self inflected disaster that he caused himself! At this point, he needs the support of his teammates, his coaches, counseling sessions.The Notre Dame community needs to also step up,and find a way to lend him a hand. I've read too many post that everyone just wants to bash,cause that's what they only know how to do. He could of left for the NFL, like some other selfish athletes did recently, but he choose to stay at ND,finish his degree, and help the resurgence of a football team I think he truly loves! Does anyone truly think that Michael Floyd does not know down deep,the honor of getting and fullfilling a Notre Dame athletic scholarship? If that was the case,than why did he come back for his Sr year at Notre Dame? Yes, he screwed up as clearly as has pointed out by everyone,but obviously he needs some help! This is no time to turn your back on someone,that everyone agrees,can use and needs some help and guidence. Throwing him out of ND, suspending him from football games, does nothing to help him understand the seriousness of drinking, or drinking and driving. People who get convicted of DUI, dont have to loose there jobs, quit going to class, or get kicked off football teams. What they do need to do, is be supported, educated, and rehabbed, and show that they do "get it." I think for the most part, Michael Floyld has given his all to Notre Dame, the football program, his respect to get a education, and to all the fans. I'm sure no one in this world feels worse about the position he is in, except maybe his Mother. So can people try to help him head in the right direction, do what any other 21 yr old adult would need help facing? Maybe others that have or are still doing the same thing as he has been caught doing, can learn for this very horrible position, he now finds himself in! He's human, and made a human mistake, that he must "face the music" for! That's the unfortnate problem and truth that he must now face. He'll learn from this legally in society,and Residence Life should see he gets that help,and not turn there back on him for his mistake.They need to still try to do the right thing for Michael Floyd, and every other student who comes to Notre Dame for the education they all need to use in LIFE!

    I agree

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  • Bish727 said...

    This is very easy to say and be all high and mighty about now, but when you're 18-22 and surrounded by it, it's much harder to do. Not saying drinking and driving isn't stupid nor is it hard to avoid, but to not drink in public at all isn't the answer. Holing oneself up in the dungeons known as the ND dorm rooms, would drive one to suicide.

    There were more than a few people, when I went there, who found choices other than public intoxication or suicide.

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  • HamOnWry22 said...

    There were more than a few people, when I went there, who found choices other than public intoxication or suicide.

    Obviously I was exaggerating a little, but completely writing off drinking isn't the answer. How about just not being stupid?

    Bish727

  • NJIrishND23 said...

    If someone told me I could go to Notre Dame for free, play football, and possibly make millions from it, and part of the deal was to make sure I never got publicly intoxicated; then guess what - I would make sure I never got publicly intoxicated.

    Bish727 said...

    This is very easy to say and be all high and mighty about now, but when you're 18-22 and surrounded by it, it's much harder to do. Not saying drinking and driving isn't stupid nor is it hard to avoid, but to not drink in public at all isn't the answer. Holing oneself up in the dungeons known as the ND dorm rooms, would drive one to suicide.

    To Bish727 (and everyone else who agress with Bish),

    Respectfully, this is where we just have to agree to disagree. Bish727 states:
    "This is very easy to say and be all high and mighty about now, when you're 18-22 and surrounded by it, it's much harder to do".

    I disagree. Obeying the law, doing what's right, staying in line, should be an easier decision for someone with much more to lose than the next guy. You trade having the leeway the everyday student gets, for rewards that a lucky few ever see, like a free education, being treating like a rock star, and playing football for Notre Dame. Mike made his choice, he knew his actions could cost him in many ways. And still, he made the choice. He's not stupid, and he's not 13. Not to mention athletes at big time schools have people all around them, coaching and avdising. It wasn't a mistake. It wasn't an accident. It was a choice. Don't spin it. It was a choice.

    I don't feel I am being high and mighty when I say "If someone told me I could go to Notre Dame for free, play football, and possibly make millions from it, and part of the deal was to make sure I never got publicly intoxicated; then guess what - I would make sure I never got publicly intoxicated". Because that is exactly what I would do.

    Did I want to party when I was in college - sure. Would I have traded it to play football for Notre Dame? In a millisecond!

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  • Bish727 said...

    Obviously I was exaggerating a little, but completely writing off drinking isn't the answer. How about just not being stupid?

    Yeah, that's as good a place to start as any.

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  • Years ago, I stopped being so tough on younger people that I never knew. I wish some other people would do the same. I'm not perfect. Michael Floyd isn't perfect either, but I can tell you one thing - most of the people that are writing about how wrong he is and how bad this decision he made was and how priveleged he is, etc., never worked as hard as he has and probably never faced the scutiny that he'll face. So look in the mirror Mr. Critic and ask yourself how Michael Floyd is dealing with the adversity that he is facing... but more importantly, how did Michael Floyd grow up vs. the way you did? Didn't see that in the copy.

    I'm just saying...

    This post was edited by ND Q on 3/25/2011 at 9:09 PM

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  • ND Q, with all due respect...why do people continue to look for every reason why he made this stupid mistake, besides he just plain chose it? He, and only he, is accountable. He did not do it because of a less fortunate upbringing. He knew the rules, he knew what was at risk, and he made his choice. End of story. Looking to spread the blame around only dilutes Michael's accountability. Blaming these kids' upbringing is merely handing them a crutch. Michael Floyd is living the dream, and made a stupid decision. I can not believe folks are weeping for him. Do you feel bad when millionaire's file for bankrupcy?

    And yes, I believe I work (and worked) as hard as Michael Floyd (and with no where near the accolades because I had no where near the God given gifts). At 5'6" I played D3 football, at 46 I am a practicing black belt in tae kwon do. I am raising a family and paying a mortgage on a working man's salary. Don't tell me about hard work, and it being a reason we should go easy on Mike. Mike's life is a dream, and he took it for granted.

    I'm a fan of Notre Dame football. I don't pretend to care about these kids' personal lives any more than I care for any kid.Do I wish them well? Of course I do. But we are too quick to blame society for the poor choices of the individual.

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  • NJIrishND23 said...

    ND Q, with all due respect...why do people continue to look for every reason why he made this stupid mistake, besides he just plain chose it? He, and only he, is accountable. He did not do it because of a less fortunate upbringing. He knew the rules, he knew what was at risk, and he made his choice. End of story. Looking to spread the blame around only dilutes Michael's accountability. Blaming these kids' upbringing is merely handing them a crutch. Michael Floyd is living the dream, and made a stupid decision. I can not believe folks are weeping for him. Do you feel bad when millionaire's file for bankrupcy?

    And yes, I believe I work (and worked) as hard as Michael Floyd (and with no where near the accolades because I had no where near the God given gifts). At 5'6" I played D3 football, at 46 I am a practicing black belt in tae kwon do. I am raising a family and paying a mortgage on a working man's salary. Don't tell me about hard work, and it being a reason we should go easy on Mike. Mike's life is a dream, and he took it for granted.

    I'm a fan of Notre Dame football. I don't pretend to care about these kids' personal lives any more than I care for any kid.Do I wish them well? Of course I do. But we are too quick to blame society for the poor choices of the individual.

    NJIrishND23

    Believe it or not, the situation with Michael Floyd has nothing to do with how hard you work (ed).
    And do you think the rest of us who disagree with you have never stuggled and worked a few jobs to support
    our families? Not sure where your coming from.

    I have a nephew who has had a simlar problem with DUI, he's just a year or two older than MF. His parents
    went through an ugly divorce while he was very young, and when he was eleven his father died of cancer
    (agent orange, although your too young to remember those 18 and 19 "stupid choice" kids). So, your
    telling me that my nephew made bad choices and was in no way effected by his family tragedies? If
    you think that everyone, no matter there experiences, should be judged the same then you need help my
    friend.

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  • NJIrishND23 said...

    ND Q, with all due respect...why do people continue to look for every reason why he made this stupid mistake, besides he just plain chose it? He, and only he, is accountable. He did not do it because of a less fortunate upbringing. He knew the rules, he knew what was at risk, and he made his choice. End of story. Looking to spread the blame around only dilutes Michael's accountability. Blaming these kids' upbringing is merely handing them a crutch. Michael Floyd is living the dream, and made a stupid decision. I can not believe folks are weeping for him. Do you feel bad when millionaire's file for bankrupcy?

    And yes, I believe I work (and worked) as hard as Michael Floyd (and with no where near the accolades because I had no where near the God given gifts). At 5'6" I played D3 football, at 46 I am a practicing black belt in tae kwon do. I am raising a family and paying a mortgage on a working man's salary. Don't tell me about hard work, and it being a reason we should go easy on Mike. Mike's life is a dream, and he took it for granted.

    I'm a fan of Notre Dame football. I don't pretend to care about these kids' personal lives any more than I care for any kid.Do I wish them well? Of course I do. But we are too quick to blame society for the poor choices of the individual.

    I'm not handing out a crutch. My point, which somehow was completey missed, is that the same people that pontificate and criticize should understand what he'll go through (deservedly so) and I would think you might want to know more about the entire story before you cast aspersions. It's certainly your right to write what you want but, with all due respect, what do you know about his upbringing? I'm not looking for a reason for the mistake he make either. It's just interesting to see what's written about a young man that you don't know know anything about. I applaud your accomplishments, as you so emphatically pointed out and I would admit that I haven't been as accomplished in tae kwon do as did you, but at the end of the day, the grandstanding and wisdom you bestow upon this young man isn't something people view as admirable and remarks like those typically come from individuals that have never walked in similar shoes. I just find it interesting. I also thought it was interesting that Notre Dame paid tens of millions of dollars to a man that never played college football but I was wrong about him too, so what do I know?

    Have a wonderful weekend.

    ND Q