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The verbal commitment from Quenton Nelson gives Notre Dame potentially its eighth offensive linemen in the last two recruiting cycles.
Really nice piece Lou -- thanks!
I love the picture of our OL class from 2013. They even got the order right. Haha. That could very well be our starting OL in a few years, although I like Nelson better than McGlinchey and Byrne better than McGovern. I'm curious to see how it all plays out.
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Great article Lou. So glad to see our oline numbers catching up.
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It's great to see this kind of O-line potential being assembled, in numbers, in back-to-back years!
Once the freshman arrive in August, from a depth point of view, the O-line is a strength again. Contrast this with what TW left for CW. That John Kadous/Chauncey Incarnato class left a void which impacted ND for years.
I wouldn't necessarily call it a strength. Reinforcements are being added for the future, but there is a difference between "numbers" and "depth." For example, when Charlie came in in 2005, the second that freshmen tackles Mike Turkovich and Paul Duncan stepped on to the campus, they were the No. 2 tackles, mainly because there was no one else. That didn't necessarily constitute "depth," because Charlie said he held his breath all year that the starters don't get hurt.
That No. 2 unit has a ways to go yet, although it helped that Elmer had the spring to at least get a base.
One of my all time favorite movie lines is from "Breaking Away" when the curmudgeon father, after a heart attack, tells his wife: "I don'f feel lucky that I'm alive. I feel lucky that I'm not dead. There's a difference."
That's a valid distinction!
I do, however, feel better about the O-line coaching and development now than at any time since Joe Moore drilled them.
Prefacing this with the fact that the star system is flawed, might I ask, where have all the five star lineman gone? We have quite a stable of great, four star linemen, however, according to the star system in place, other programs are landing the five stars. Were the three brutes just drafted off the Alabama line five stars? Just wondering.
This post was edited by Blueman on 5/2/2013 at 12:37 PM
Thanks to Lou for the cool story on Joe Moore. An interesting view.
For FL, it seems that for the past several years, we have sort of known who the OL starters would be. Not a lot of mystery. Big gap between starters and reserves.
But we need the kind of position battles on the OL that we have on the Defense, where it is really uncertain who the best player is and the competition makes each play better, such as Calabrese/Fox,
When the 2014 linemen arrive. particularly the following Spring
we will start seeing the kind of offensive line battles that National Champions enjoy. I can't wait.
For Blueman, Kouandjio and Fluker were not merely 5 stars, but were considered among the best OLs in their class. Both Fluker and Kouandjio caused a big stir at their all-star games.
This post was edited by Thundershaker on 5/2/2013 at 12:41 PM
The most recent consensus five-star offensive lineman to sign with Notre Dame was Sam Young in 2006. He started all four years, and his 50 career starts are the most by ever by a Fighting Irish player (although Zack Martin, who has 39 the past three years, could eclipse it this season).
Young was drafted in the sixth round by Dallas and this past year completed his third season in the NFL with Buffalo.
You need both lines stocked fully with top talent if you are going to compete with the big boys. Great piece Lou.
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I would love to know why only two OL were part of the 2012 class. That has the potential to impact this year and next if there are injuries.
Lou, that's hilarious! Good movie too...
This post was edited by IrishGold on 5/2/2013 at 2:23 PM
Sometimes you just miss out at certain positions, and that's what occurred with the 2012 O-line.
Because ND addressed the interior in 2011 with Nick Martin, Conor Hanratty, Matt Hegarty and Brad Carrico (who is no longer capable of playing for medical reasons), it's goal was to to sign a center to replace the Cave/Golic tandem and two tackles.
Mark Harrell is the center, although he played mainly right guard this spring behind Hanratty, while Stanley is a tackle. The other tackle was supposed to be Taylor Decker, who had committed to ND early but then opted for Ohio State, where former ND offensive line coach Ed Warinner accepted a position to work for new coach Urban Meyer.
The Irish staff for the fences earlier with five-star tackles John Theus and Andrus Peat, but they ended up signing with Georgia and Stanford, respectively.
Could they have gone after other prospects? From the outside looking in, perhaps, but you also don't want to give a scholarship just for the sake of saying you "met a quota." Either way, I'm sure they're were discussions about how to counter such situations in the future.
I think it's my favorite "coming of age" movie, because I was a drifting high school senior the year it was made (1979) and could really identify.
Now I'm waiting for some movie about drifting 50-year-old men.
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