Rockne's Roundtable

Yes, assuming since no one in the media, from PSU, or from the NCAA has reported that PSU has sent their response I am making the blind assumption it has not happened.

You on the other hand are assuming it did happen simply because PSU said they would respond in the next few days. You are assuming they have managed to get the response to the NCAA without anyone finding out or leaking it to the media.

The media had OSU's response to allegations the same day.

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2011/07/ohio_states_response_to_ncaa_n.html

I'm just saying don't go off on a tirade about how they didn't have the opportunity to respond after the report came out. They had 10 days they decided to waste fighting over a statue

10 days to respond to an investigation and report that took months to put together? Did OSU or USC only have 10 days to submit their responses? Once again, the end justifies the means.

And apparently you are of the faction that think Paterno and PSU are martyrs who don't deserve any type of punishment whatsoever . Let the criminal courts take care of it right? Put the statue back because he was a good man right? Let's just sweep this all under the rug and continue to live by our corrupt moral code in Happy Valley and pretend none of this ever happened right? As long as we win football games nothing else matters right? You're damn right the end justfies the means.

garyfh said...

Sorry dpfenny

I do not agree with you.

You, a sport writer, and a former NCAA chief

appear to be of the opinion current NCAA

is wrong regarding jurisdiction and / or process.

Facts proving NCAA has violated it's jurisdiction or

process are not in your responses.

Although opinions aren't an impressive argument,

if after the decision and appeal process,

you can show 90% of the victim's parents

agree NCAA has over stepped it's jurisdiction,

and or were wrong in it's process,

and or were unjust,

people will agree with you.

dpfenny

"What the victims parents think regarding jurisdiction and or process is as irrelevant as your or my opinion. If you have no problem with NOT giving PSU the ability to answer the charges and respond before being punished then so be it. I do not agree with "the end justifies the means" mentality. There is a reason we as a society have rules and laws. Breaking rules for a good cause is still breaking them. I suppose you think criminals that are convicted unjustly is ok so long as they are convicted. To hell with their rights!"

The key problem is attacking the NCAA

to defend the indefensible.

Despite the attorney's (Michael L. Buckner ) objections

would not be surprised should a judge

accept the NCAA position

if NCAA can cite any grounds/justification

with in their rules and bylaws.

Citing a different than usual rule,

is not breaking the rules nor is it an example of

"the end justifies the means"

NCAA can note PSU had the letter

stating the specific rules broken,

advising of an inquiry,

and asking their response,

since 17 November 2011.

If NCAA can show the rules they are enforcing

and show PSU was given opportunity to

answer the questions posed

they may prevail vs the attorney's assertions.

Guess should have not brought up the victim's parents.

"What the victims parents think regarding jurisdiction and or process is as irrelevant as your or my opinion"

The victim's relevance in the "Penn State way"

is how we got to today.

Well PSU got hammered.

1)$60 million fine
2)4yr bowl ban
3)15 scholarship deduction over 4yrs
4)PSU players can transfer without penalty.

Do you think ND coaches will poach some of these players?