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Player Projection: Gunner Kiel

  • http://notredame.247sports.com/Article/Freshman-Gunner-Kiel-2012-season-projection-80260

    Gunner Kiel is still a candidate for the quarterback job at Notre Dame after a tumultuous first semester at school.

    Dan Murphy ●

  • Jimmy wasn't ready either. Let the kid sit and learn. There are too many options on the squad ahead of Gunner.

    joeatlND ●

  • You're right that Jimmy wasnt ready either. Yet in three years how many games did ND win under Jimmy? 15? 16?

    Martin's comment is right on. Someone needs to TAKE that job for us to be in a position. Coaches dont decide who play, PLAYERS do. I only hope that by mid August it is obvious to the team who our starter will be.

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    coachcft

  • Gunner needs a red shirt year to get acclimated to the college game. If he is as good a player as his uncle was the Irish could have quite a player in a few years.

    frase

  • R-E-D-S-H-I-R-T

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    WE ARE ND76 ●

  • WE ARE ND76 said...

    R-E-D-S-H-I-R-T

    Amen to that.

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    "No one is useless in this world who lightens the burdens of another" -- Charles Dickens

    dave83nd

  • coachcft said...

    You're right that Jimmy wasnt ready either. Yet in three years how many games did ND win under Jimmy? 15? 16?

    Martin's comment is right on. Someone needs to TAKE that job for us to be in a position. Coaches dont decide who play, PLAYERS do. I only hope that by mid August it is obvious to the team who our starter will be.

    I would rather see him sit this year and then win 40+ games thereafter...

    joeatlND ●

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    OHIrish

  • I'm a little concerned (in a good day-I know oxymoron right?) about our future at QB for this reason: Let's say we have one leading QB in each class, Golson, Kiel, Zaire coming in. Golson and Kiel are obviously still young. Do you play Golson this year, and then oust him for Kiel next year when Golson has the potential to be a three year starter? And if you let Golson (by let, I mean he earned the chance) go for the full three years of his eligibility (or is it four? He didn't see game-time last year did he?) will Kiel stick around or head for greener pastures? And if Golson is going to take up the next four seasons, does Zaire and other Qbs looking to play right away leave/get dissuaded from coming?

    Like I said, it's a good problem to have, three (four if you count Hendrix) legit Qbs who COULD, dare I say it, "Lead us to the 'Return To Glory.'" But it makes me wonder if the talent will drop off if any of those other "elite" qb's decide to "take their talents elsewhere."

    Oh well, as long as we WIN!

    jmills19 ●

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    NDGuyinFL ●

  • Each quarterback has different skills, strengths and weaknesses.

    Once you clearly determine best QB, you must put the round, as in the best QB, in the round hole. Don't force the round, as in the best QB, in a square hole.

    The talent is there, so shape the offense to fit the players. Keep it simple, give them confidence and let them play.

    I recall a game last year where it seemed like the offense was in a hurry up mode at the beginning of the game. No staring at the sideline, then rushing to the line of scrimmage to barely get the ball snapped in time. No, it was a true no huddle, snap the ball immediately and the offense steamrolled down the field. Maybe the plays were scripted, I don't know, but it worked.

    FBFAN

  • FBFAN said...

    Each quarterback has different skills, strengths and weaknesses.

    Once you clearly determine best QB, you must put the round, as in the best QB, in the round hole. Don't force the round, as in the best QB, in a square hole.

    The talent is there, so shape the offense to fit the players. Keep it simple, give them confidence and let them play.

    I recall a game last year where it seemed like the offense was in a hurry up mode at the beginning of the game. No staring at the sideline, then rushing to the line of scrimmage to barely get the ball snapped in time. No, it was a true no huddle, snap the ball immediately and the offense steamrolled down the field. Maybe the plays were scripted, I don't know, but it worked.

    Which game was that? Just curious because I really think its effective and Oregon runs it like it should be run..Kelly should learn from Kelly. What's really funny is that Oregon has new QB's in their system and they have a big competition going on and they don't seem to have so many problems learning the playbook..hmmm. Why does Brian Kelly make everything so hard to learn?

    rsharman

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    mrstrange

  • joeatlND said...

    Jimmy wasn't ready either. Let the kid sit and learn. There are too many options on the squad ahead of Gunner.

    This. If he is playing significant time then ND will be in trouble. He's just not even close to ready if this article is accurate.

    SDWolverine

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  • rsharman said...

    Which game was that? Just curious because I really think its effective and Oregon runs it like it should be run..Kelly should learn from Kelly. What's really funny is that Oregon has new QB's in their system and they have a big competition going on and they don't seem to have so many problems learning the playbook..hmmm. Why does Brian Kelly make everything so hard to learn?

    echo that, why is it so complicated to run this offense. the one thing that makes me questions kelly is this constant sense that it takes guys, 2 or 3 years to get his offense. why is this??? after spring and fall practice a QB should get the system... execution is a different story but understanding should not take this long.grumble

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    NDNJ96 ●

  • I agree with Coach, this job is not Kelly/ Martin's to give... it's for one of these guys to TAKE. It's out there, and you can bet it will go to the most capable. The only trouble is, at this point, evidence favors Tommy over the others. As difficult as that is for fans, think about it from the coaches' perspective. So far, Tommy is the only one capable of TAKING the job. Now, let's just hope that doesn't last forever.

    Big_Skill

  • Kelly has been forced to use 3 QBs in each of his first 2 seasons. With Rees potentialy out for an extended period, Kiel's queue on the next man in list is shorter. He starts the summer practice with the same experience level that Tommy Rees had 2 years ago. Rees was pushed into the Michigan game and looked lost. When he was forced to start the last 4 games he went 4 - 0, including a win in the LA Coliseum. Kiel has much more physical talent. The first 2 games will tell a lot. If either Golson or Hendrix don't demonstrate leadership via heir play, then Kiel will see the field sooner rather than 2013. I expect Golson will do well, though.

    psdo51 ●

  • A follow up to the above conversation on what should the coaching staff do in developing a QB. A example we have followed the last 3 years is Denard Robinson at Michigan. His first two years he was first and foremost a wide open scrambling and running QB. New coach comes in for his third year and tries to develop his pocket passing skills. Not so good. After a few games he lets Denard go back to his strength as a wide open scrambling and running QB.

    We have to find the strengths of our best quarterbacks and fit them into the correct offense schemes.

    FBFAN

  • I don't have a problem losing a QB or 2 because another one has TAKEN the job. You don't recruit quarterbacks to hope they all stay around...you hopefully get a gem every 4 or 5 recruits who starts 2-3 years (4 years is bad as it usually means a down year as a freshman). I'm more scared we don't have a QB that can take the job this year.

    jim4g4nd

  • rsharman said...

    Which game was that? Just curious because I really think its effective and Oregon runs it like it should be run.

    I'm pretty sure the hurry up offense game was Maryland. I was in awe with that and not sure why it never returned.

    bndally

  • In 2008 BK started 4 or 5 different QB's at Cincinnati. I'm pretty sure they were 11-2 that year and 12-0 the next. So explain to me how you guys don't think he can get a QB ready, or how you think the play book is too hard?

    Rob Reishman

  • Rob Reishman,

    Welcome aboard, and keep posting and staying active. We value your patronage

    It has often been written that current Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly used five different quarterbacks en route to an 11-2 regular season at Cincinnati in 2008 before losing 20-7 to Virginia Tech in the BCS (Orange Bowl). A popular retort is "Why can’t he seem to find one at Notre Dame in his third year.

    Kelly deserves much praise that season, but the “five quarterbacks” business is a bit overblown. It makes it sound like he started five different quarterbacks during the season. Junior Tony Pike actually started 10 of the 14 games, and played in two others. Here’s what happened:

    • The starter on opening day versus Eastern Kentucky was Dustin Grutza — who had 21 career starts under his belt. In the second game of the season, a 52-26 loss at Oklahoma, Grutza incurred a fractured fibula, thereby forcing the junior Pike into the starting lineup.

    • Pike was the starter in victories over Miami (Ohio) and Akron, but midway through the fourth quarter against Akron, with the ball at the Zips’ 35, Pike was injured and Zach Collaros was inserted. Collaros ran three times for 15 yards to set up the game-winning field goal. He barely played all year, completing 1-of-4 passes for two yards.

    • For the next two games against Marshall (a 33-10 victory) and Rutgers (13-10 victory), Chazz Anderson was named the starter. Similar to when Tommy Rees was a freshman at Notre Dame in 2010, Kelly’s team relied on strong defense while Anderson was a game-day manager at QB

    • Pike returned but was injured again during the Connecticut game, forcing Anderson in. UConn whipped Cincinnati, 41-16. Pike then played the remainder of the Big East schedule.
    We did not find a fifth quarterback in the mix.

    So one starter had nearly two dozen career starts under his belt already (Grutza), another played in 12 of the 14 games while starting 10 (Pike) the third (Anderson) came in the way Rees had to in 2010 after beginning the year on the third team, and a fourth (Collaros) had a handful of plays.

    We’re not trying to marginalize what Kelly achieved amidst the challenging circumstances, but it also shouldn’t sound like he started five different quarterbacks during a BCS season without experiencing a drop-off. The job he did with Rees in 2010 was perhaps equally impressive.
    The following year during a 12-0 season, Kelly started mainly Pike but thrived with Collaros too when Pike was injured.

    Now, if you want to ask why Irish QBs seem to be having such a difficult time grasping the offense when Cincinnati QBs ran the spread more to his liking and tempo … that is more of a mystery.

    Lou Somogyi ●

  • Lou, I am not convinced the playbook is so difficult. The playbook didn't cause fumbles or throw INTs. Nate Montana didn't seem lost in space, he just wasn't a top QB, period. Tommy Rees looked lost in that Michigan game but looked to be mentaly prepared in those last 4 games. The playbook may have been truncated but I think that had more to do with his physical limitations. I don't think he had playbook problems in 2011. Golson didn't look lost in B&G game, in terms of the playbook. We should have a good idea after the first two games of 2012 as to whether or not the playbook is the issue.

    psdo51 ●

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