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Rees Suspension Complicates Things

  • Wes,
    Love the piece, could not disagree more with the title however. Should read:

    "Rees Suspension Simplifies Things"

    Rees took a decision out of Kelly's hands that would have been difficult; game experience vs. potential upside

    This post was edited by kking on 8/2/2012 at 3:47 PM

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  • Who in the world would ever get back on the Rees train?

    irishnorcal

  • parrott84 said...

    Really surprised you made these comments:

    'Meanwhile, Calabrese, choosing to spit in the face of common sense, made the kind of threat to police that makes one wonder about his family tree.'

    Everyone makes bad decisions, but questioning his family tree? They raised a guy who worked hard and got into ND, has been an ideal student until he got drunk and said something dumb in a bad situation...

    Many people do dumb things when they get drunk, so that was a mistake in the first place, but come on, leave his family out of it.

    Parrott84,
    You are a great poster, but c'mon. Wes was just having fun. To be frank when the story broke and I heard what Calabrese said, I thought the same thing. Not seriously, but in half hearted kind of way. I could hear Marlon Brando, saying it too.

    I thought it was clever and know Wes meant nothing by it...

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    kking

  • Darrin Walls came back for a 5th year and did not enroll in a graduate program. He was a 2nd semester senior when he played his 5th year.

    ScanlonIrish

  • kking said...

    He really took a decision out of Kelly's hands that would have been difficult; game experience vs. potential upside

    The decision is still difficult as it's just a one-game suspension, and against Navy at that. I don't think a win over Navy settles anything in the quarterback competition. If anything, it might give Kelly reason to hang on to a quarterback longer than he might have otherwise.

    I don't think we, or Kelly, will know much about the QB competition until game 3 vs. MSU at the earliest, a game in East Lansing in front of a hostile crowd. Then Michigan comes knocking the week after.

    Is it September, yet?

    John Haynsworth

  • John Haynsworth said...

    The decision is still difficult as it's just a one-game suspension, and against Navy at that. I don't think a win over Navy settles anything in the quarterback competition. If anything, it might give Kelly reason to hang on to a quarterback longer than he might have otherwise.

    I don't think we, or Kelly, will know much about the QB competition until game 3 vs. MSU at the earliest, a game in East Lansing in front of a hostile crowd. Then Michigan comes knocking the week after.

    Is it September, yet?

    Purdue will be tougher than most people are giving them credit for. Don't look past them coming off a trip to Ireland a week before

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  • ScanlonIrish said...

    Darrin Walls came back for a 5th year and did not enroll in a graduate program. He was a 2nd semester senior when he played his 5th year.

    Then there's the exception. Perhaps he did so because he withdrew from the University. Most guys are enrolled in a graduate program or graduate studies. There is no ballroom dancing for fifth-years at Notre Dame.

    John Haynsworth

  • I always enjoy both the articles and the commentary and exchanges that follow. Had to kind of chuckle about the "bowel prep" comment, though

    marklawrence

  • John Haynsworth said...

    The decision is still difficult as it's just a one-game suspension, and against Navy

    John,
    Missing the Navy game is almost anti-climatic to what he is really missing. The bigger issue for him is almost a months worth of reps because he can't play against Navy.

    This post was edited by kking on 8/2/2012 at 3:51 PM

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  • I hardly think the Navy game will provide ample competition to determine who will lead the team against tougher opponents the remainder of the season. I also don't think Kelly will have the patience with the two QB's as he had with Rees. Rees did fill a void when he was needed and I sense Kelly has more confidence in his field leadership strictly because the other QB's were never given game experience. Then when EG performs well in the BG game, Kelly down plays it and probably takes away some of the self confidence the kid gained in the game. I don't doubt Kelly's coaching abilities at all, but the way the QB situation has been handled from day one really puzzles me. Hopefully his plan will mature this year and we all will be happily wrong.

    JDK4USA

  • I'm sorry, but after reading what Tommy and Carlo did again I need to ask how on Earth is this only a 1 game suspension? They shouldn't even be on the team.

    NDfootball81

  • All rees did is complicate our offense . Time to move on.

    pollack

  • Saying "my people will get you" runs deeper than just being a little intoxicated. I think I have every right to poke fun at that level of stupidity. What do you think he meant?

    I agree, lots of people do stupid things when they drink. Not many people threaten police or try to fight them. Let's not categorize this as silly drunken college shenanigans. This was as dumb as dumb gets.

    Wes Morgan

  • kking said...

    Wes, Love the piece, could not disagree more with the title however. Should read:

    "Rees Suspension Simplifies Things"

    Rees took a decision out of Kelly's hands that would have been difficult; game experience vs. potential upside

    kking,

    That's originally how I felt, and to some degree still do. I just think this is gong to complicate things down the road if Golson and Hendrix don't get it done. Kelly knows Rees can reasonably manage a game and might have to turn to him once again. And if Kelly wanted to avoid a quarterback controversy, it's going to be tough to do if he starts Rees again later. I don't have a crystal ball, but I think everyone should want the quarterbacks to be able to settle this once and for all in fall camp by their play, not because one guy — the one with the most experience — is put on the back burner for a month. Don't get me wrong, Rees deserves the suspension. I just don't think this actually simplifies things.

    But, I'm glad you enjoyed the column. We all have our opinions. I've enjoyed reading the comments.

    Wes Morgan

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  • kking said...

    John, Missing the Navy game is almost anti-climatic to what he is really missing. The bigger issue for him is almost a months worth of reps because he can't play against Navy.

    An issue, but with Rees still practicing with the team, I'm not sure how big that issue really is.

    There are a number of possibly fulfilled what-ifs that could keep Rees on the bench after Week 1 against Navy. However, with Rees' return in Week 2 hovering over the starter against Navy, I think the margin for error for that first-time starter will ultimately be small. Given Kelly's obvious impatience with mistakes at the quarterback position, I don't think it will take many against Navy for Rees to quickly find himself back in the competition to start against Purdue.

    John Haynsworth

  • John Haynsworth said...

    Given Kelly's obvious impatience with mistakes at the quarterback position

    He's been pretty patient if you ask me

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  • 19BlueAndGold85 said...

    He's been pretty patient if you ask me

    Yeah, the countless number of articles on Kelly's sideline demeanor (which has generally focused on his demeanor with his quarterbacks), his quick hook of Dayne Crist, and his opening of the quarterback competition this spring with a junior returning starter (with 16 career starts) lead me to believe otherwise.

    John Haynsworth

  • John Haynsworth said...

    Yeah, the countless number of articles on Kelly's sideline demeanor (which has generally focused on his demeanor with his quarterbacks), his quick hook of Dayne Crist, and his opening of the quarterback competition this spring with a junior returning starter (with 16 career starts) lead me to believe otherwise.

    Rees' 19 turnovers last season lead me to believe he has been. I'll give you the Crist point though. Not buying the sideline point. He yelled but he kept Rees in

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  • John Haynsworth said...

    An issue, but with Rees still practicing with the team, I'm not sure how big that issue really is.

    There are a number of possibly fulfilled what-ifs that could keep Rees on the bench after Week 1 against Navy. However, with Rees' return in Week 2 hovering over the starter against Navy, I think the margin for error for that first-time starter will ultimately be small. Given Kelly's obvious impatience with mistakes at the quarterback position, I don't think it will take many against Navy for Rees to quickly find himself back in the competition to start against Purdue.

    Absolutely fair. If anybody could over-come the missed reps, I agree it is Rees.

    Also, have to agree with you on Kelly's propensity toward QB's...however, to Coach Kelly's credit, he has improved. It hasn't been a meteoric improvement, kind of like an 800 lb dude that now weighs 779 lbs.

    At least the needles are pointing in the right direction.

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  • Wes,

    I'm going to have to disagree with your article as well. I think Rees simplified things and gave Kelly an even bigger reason to go with Golson. We all know that Golson is the favorite to take the job and he has the perfect blend of pass first QB with running threat ability that Kelly desires for his offense. The tough part for Kelly entering the season is putting the ball in the hands of your young QB when you have had back to back 8-5 seasons at ND and realizing you have limited room for error at the moment because fans are impatient at a rebuilding process.

    With Golson though imo he's going to make mistakes as all first-year young QB's do. He may even put up 15-20 turnovers as Rees did last season but he will also give us a much better shot at winning games in spite of these miscues because you can't just drop everyone deep or you can't just load up the box and stop the run. His multi-threat abilities opens up the offense and he will be able to get us out of 3rd and longs with his ability to scramble, he will open up the running game with his ability to run the read option offense, he will open up the passing game because of his ability to keep a play alive and go deep more frequently. I and would surmise most fans don't think he's going to come right in and not make mistakes because that would be naive.

    It would be one thing if Rees was a true game-manager. We should have a pretty damn good rushing attack this season along with a stout front 7 and if you can control the trenches then you should be in most games. However Rees has not shown himself to be the game manager that some thought he could be. He is still making the same boneheaded throws in the Spring game this year. He's not learned from his mistakes and that is just not acceptable considering his other limitations playing the position. I think he's an asset to have around because he is a football junkie and he understands the game but his decision making leaves a lot to be desired.

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  • 19BlueAndGold85 said...

    Rees' 19 turnovers last season lead me to believe he has been. I'll give you the Crist point though. Not buying the sideline point. He yelled but he kept Rees in

    Once he yanked Rees for Crist, he was pretty much stuck with Rees at that point. He couldn't go back to Crist, because Crist had reasonably lost all confidence after his benching (maybe even before), and he could have lost the season by bringing along an even more inexperienced Andrew Hendrix.

    He had to take was Rees was going to give him, good and bad.

    John Haynsworth