Rockne's Roundtable

I wish I cared, but I really don't. Did anyone noticed we finished the year with 4 consecutive wins? Including USC and Miami, and showed up to play in a Bowl Game?

Hello future, goodbye past!

I perhaps have already said more on this topic than the issue warrants. This morning - my anger has stilled. Now I am profoundly sad. Weis has not tarnished Notre Dame - he has tarnished himself. Let's hope that before this is all over ... he might begin to understand that integrity comes from someplace within ... and not the latest reasoning of ego and convenience ... and wanting to right a wrong that was not a wrong. He failed as a HC at ND. No dishonor in giving your best and it not being best. (Yes, look at Faust.) But to lower one's head, and act with less dignity because of resentment?

Weis a Great Offensive Coordinator? Now, that is funny!

illest,

I typed a reply and thought I posted it, and "poof" its gone! Oh well, I'll just summarize since I'll be afk for a while.

I don't take what Weis does with his life or his career personally, and like I said I'm not a huge fan of his one way or the other. I just dislike the hate and pettiness I've seen on this board. The UF job is the premier coaching job in all of college football right now, whether ND fans like it or not. To be offered the OC position there would something very hard for anyone to turn down. Sure, Weis didn't succeed at ND but that's in the past. I think the guy loved ND and tried very hard to succeed, but it jsut didn't work out. He's moved on and I think ND fans should move on also instead of taking what he does as some sort of personal attack against them. The universe does not revolve around Notre Dame and it seems people just don't want to accept that fact (and maybe my pointing that out is why folks want to down-vote my posts today?).

I just don't understand this outcry. Yes CW was a horrible head coach. But you seriously can't dispute his ability to recruit and Offensive Skill. Look at our offenses under BQ and JC. The problem wasn't about being able to score. It was about being able to stop anyone anytime. Look at our recruiting classes under CW. They were top 10 classes nearly every year. I know he had the "keys" to Notre Dame Football during a horrible time but to come out and say he isn't a great play caller is obscene.

I just read where Weis is bringing Verducci with him to coach the OL at Florida.

I still can't figure out why Muschamp would give CW carte blanche to bring Jr in as a student asst or whatever it is. Seems like that's the only reason CW is doing this.

Odd.

He is a great recruiter and OC. There's no disputing that as far as I'm concerned. But he's taking that to Florida. FLORIDA! Like I said, the only places worse, to me, would be USC or Michigan.

You sir are EXACTLY correct! Charlie was not a great OC at Notre Dame. He was at New England and may have been one at KC but not at Notre Dame.
Look at the stats from the 2007 season which ranks as one of the worst, if not the worst, offensive team in the history of Notre Dame football.
Weis' rushing offenses were awful and their average rushing total per game were among the worst in Notre Dame's history for 4 out of the 5 Weis years.
His scoring offense steadily decreased from year 1. In year 3, Notre Dame did not even average 20 points per game! His last 2 years at Notre Dame, his team could not convert in the red zone and did not average more than 26 points per game. That is a direct result of poor play calling.
Charlie's reputation as a play caller and as an OC at the college level is vastly overrated!!! But, clearly, he is thought of very highly amongst the college coaches because I see no other reason why he gets the job as OC at florida.

Weird.....we lost quite a few recruits to florida the past couple of years....now CW can finally coach them hahaha

illest,

I think you misinterpreted some of the things that I wrote. First, I didn't say that the OC position was the most coveted in college football - I said that the "Florida job" is, meaning HC job. My point about that was that he's taking a job in a premier program that was very recently on top of college football and that could rise very quickly to the top again. That's very hard to turn down for these guys (if Michigan State or Syracuse or Vandy were calling, I doubt they'd even get him on the phone unless it were a short "no thanks" from Weis). He may see UF as the chance to get a college ring to match those Super Bowl rings he shows off. Who knows. Unlike others, I haven't been one to make declarations about what he's thinking.

I also never said that the job he's taking is a "step up" from KC, either. There's certainly nothing wrong with him taking a lateral move or even a "step down" if that's what he wants to do for family reasons or whatever reasons he chooses. Are you suggesting that the only reason he could or should leave KC is if the next job he takes is perceived by others as being better on a career track? As far as I'm concerned, only Weis can decide what's best for him and his family and only he knows everything that goes into his decisions. I find it very petty and unjustly condescending of everyone else to judge him and try to judge what's in his heart and mind and to not only imply that he's somehow a bad person but to directly make disparaging remarks.

I also never suggested that Florida hasn't been a prominent opponent of ours in recruiting battles, but whether Weis goes there or not they will continue to be a prominent opponent in that regard. Just like the past five years, we'll continue to win some recruits and lose some. That's just how it goes (and I'm always amazed and amused when I see how bent out of shape some of our board members get when a kid decides to go elsewhere). I have to say that I agree with your apprehension about the effect that Weis' presence will have at UF - and I think that's what's really getting at you. You're absolutely right in saying that he's a great recruiter and OC, and I'm in agreement that this doesn't bode well for the rest of the SEC and possibly other national contenders. This development should be unsettling for every other school that considers itself to be a contender or wants to be a contender (like ND), not because Weis is a bad guy and is somehow a traitor or b@stard, but because he's very good at what he does and this immediately elevates UF, or at least that's how I see it right now.

If he's making this move primarily to help out his son - which we don't know if that's the case or not - then good for him if that's what he wants to do. I'd gladly sacrifice something important to me if it paid huge dividends for my kids, and so would the rest of us. I appreciate that your problem with this new development isn't based on a personal hatred for Weis but is based more on the apprehension of how this improves UF. I can respect that.