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mmm said...
How does this compare with 1987? The feeling in 1986 was good despite the record and Nd looked good for a period in 1987 but then faltered down the stretch. If memory serves, there was also some musical chairs with the QB but that may have been injury related. Similarly, ND graduated one of their best WRs in 1988 with the loss of Tim Brown. I'm not saying that next year will be any different and certainly not 1988, but I'm curious for those who know how this year and the outlook for next year compare to 1987 and 1988.
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JoePH said...
Lou, I would argue that they did play championship caliber defense. Fsu had 4 big pass plays. They were all low percentage plays, but their players made some miraculous clutch throws and catches. Good job by them, when ND had their opportunities for big plays they didn't capitalize. In the 2nd half ND had fresh. Lynch, tuitt, nix, Williams, and soph. Jackson and shembo on the field at the same time. The 4 freshman fsu lineman were going up against freshmen from nd also. Bottom line is, the offense and special teams put the defense in bad spots.
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HamOnWry22 said...
Very solid points, Joe.
Lou, I don't think I'm on the same page with you here as far as some of the conclusions or implications you have drawn, or at least hinted at. I'm going to expand on Joe's point to look at much of the season. Games are often won on ebbs and flows of field position, ability to sustain drives, and then capitalize on opportunity. Starting with turnover yardage differential and special teams yardage differential, Notre Dame had to have one of the worst cumulative rankings in D-1. Now part of that is quarterback-related, part of it coaching and part of it some remarkable bounces of the ball. None of that, however, is determinative of future success, or lack thereof. Special teams can improve, and there were signs of that as the season progressed. Funny bounces? Well, you have to assume that a few will go your way eventually. Which brings us to the quarterback piece, and therein lies the rub. In last night's game we saw an example of a slightly above average QB get to the red zone and be able to put the ball where his receivers could make plays, and they made exceptional ones. Conversely, ND's below average QB could only do that one out of three times, and the two failures were costly. In a four point game, that simplifies the differential.
I don't feel the need for all the hand-wringing about the state of the program, as if this is just one more example of ND's downward spiral. This was a team that was beaten somewhat decisively (though hardly completely outplayed) by two teams with an exponential edge at the quarterback position, and three other games with an abysmal turnover differential, erratic quarterback play, and substandard special teams performance. They were not pushed around in the trenches, as was the case in many prior years, and that's an essential foundation. The other problems can be fixed. That's not to say they will, or that this staff is capable of doing it, as that remains a big unknown. And, most certainly the entire quarterback situation is an enormous question mark. But these are not problems resulting from coaching staffs over their heads at the college level, or lacking the work ethic necessary at this highest level, or incapable of building a comprehensive college program. They are black marks on the staff's performance to date, but they are well within the range of correctable situations, and until it is clear that they won't be by the current incumbents, I'll look forward to the next season.
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IrishBacks said...
Lou and all, Well, I attended the game, and my take was that the team performed significantly worse in the second half than the score indicates. We had this game in hand, but the Irish secondary played extremely poorly. You can say that there were a couple of great plays by the FSU receivers, but they were mis-covered all night long. Next, the play calling was more than suspect, it was ill-timed and frankly awful. I also want to mention that the NATIONAL TV coverage showed Coach Kelly not once, but twice, berating a player on the sideline. That is inexcusable. While one should coach up the players, seeing that on the replays later (people called me to point that out) is not the image I believe ND should portray to anyone, especially recruits. Nobody wants to be embarrassed on TV, bad play or not, and the parents of recruits saw that as well. My take, then is not near as positive as others, for the game or the next season. Maybe that awful FSU chop chant has gotten to me, but it was pretty sad to watch.








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