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What We Learned: FSU 18, ND 14

  • http://notredame.247sports.com/Article/What-We-Learned-FSU-18-ND-14-54921

    There seemed to be almost a disdain by Notre Dame for prosperity this year.

    Lou Somogyi

  • I HAVE ONE WORD TO DESCRIBE ND's COACHING STAFF ----ROOKIES

    councilman

  • Lou, sobering article. But hard to argue.

    1) This season did not go the way many predicted.
    2) Our D is better than it has been for a long time, but not elite ... yet.
    3) We need a QB, or to settle on one. If we settle on one, I am pretty sure who that will be, and it limits the offense.
    4) Without Floyd and Jonas and Cave, the offense is not the same. In fact, it is not too good. Some folks need to step up, or some Freshmen are going to get early playing time.

    Well, the season is over. It was not a 3-9 debacle. I guess we can always say that. It is in the history books, and will be re-hashed as a we project next year's potential. It may get ugly next year, with the schedule we're playing.

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    dave83nd

  • councilman said...

    I HAVE ONE WORD TO DESCRIBE ND's COACHING STAFF ----ROOKIES

    Except they are far from it.

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    Klord1379

  • Lou, I would argue that they did play championship caliber defense. Fsu had 4 big pass plays. They were all low percentage plays, but their players made some miraculous clutch throws and catches. Good job by them, when ND had their opportunities for big plays they didn't capitalize. In the 2nd half ND had fresh. Lynch, tuitt, nix, Williams, and soph. Jackson and shembo on the field at the same time. The 4 freshman fsu lineman were going up against freshmen from nd also. Bottom line is, the offense and special teams put the defense in bad spots.

    JoePH

  • Lou,

    Good article. There is really one issue----Brian Kelly is most comfortable with
    an up-tempo, spread offense with some "read option" capability. To run that offense, we need a quality passing quarterback who can run and a quality receiving corps. Now, Brian Kelly has to know

    a) is that quarterback on campus and can I develop him; or

    b) if he is not on campus, I have got to go and recruit him now.

    Frankly, what other choice is there? Anything else is gag-bag since he
    has been and will continue to be forced to compensate and improvise to
    try to make up for what he really needs. It works against medium to poor
    defenses; it does not work against quality defenses.

    You have spoken to Brain Kelly; you have asked him questions;
    is there any chance you could talk to him "off the record" and say, Brian, find a quarterback that can run your system!!!

    Its like a basketball coach who runs and recruits for an up-tempo
    style of play and then forgets about having a quality point guard.

    Bluntly, Brian Kelly is not stupid, nor is he blind. What, in
    heaven's sake, is the problem?

    hemy

  • Great recap Lou. I have no idea where this program is heading.

    First time POTW for 4/18/2011-4/24/2011.

    edd1066

  • Good post, Lou, and pretty biting. As well it should be.

    Some additional things I learned:

    First, it's not reassuring, after a blown win -- because that's what it was -- for the head coach to lead with how hard the team played. This kind of grasping at straws is what Weis settled into, and it marked the beginning of the end. Watching Kelly on the podium, I was struck by how vulnerable he looked and how canned most of his comments were. For the first time, I felt that, despite his best efforts, he might not be as successful at ND as he's been elsewhere.

    Second, the two identical years I was reminded of were Faust's second and third years, where he maxed out his win total at 7. But the 7-5 83 season with the Liberty Bowl victory over BC felt a lot better than the 7-5 season, which ended in a loss to SMU in the Aloha bowl. I sure hope we have not seen Kelly max out his win total these last two years.

    Third, we got a scary glimpse of what playing an athletic and, at least, equally good team without Michael Floyd, Jonas Gray and a QB that could make it happen looks like. Rees was as shaky as he's always been against tougher teams and Hendrix did not provide the same boost as he did against Stanford -- and, to be fair, he was hardly given the chance. But it was clear Kelly did not have the confidence to place the burden of winning on Hendrix, and Kelly did want this game.

    Fourth, there is no doubt Kelly has put his heart and soul into trying to make ND a top flight program. What is concerning is that, despite his and the staff's best efforts, and despite their experience and, as I perceive it, competence, this 2011 team did not respond sufficiently well to their coaching to move to the next level. Will this be a constant feature over the next 3 years, or is Kelly bringing in kids who will be able to handle his approach -- the so-called elite RKG's?

    Fifth -- and this is not from the game -- someone posted Golson's HS highlights earlier in the week and I watched them. As effusive as I was in my praise for Andrew Hendrix after the Stanford game and as hopeful as I felt after watching the Devin Fuller tape, my sense now is that Golson -- if he can do it -- is the one with the complete set of tools to lead this offense. Does he have the size, durability and ability to do it at the speed of the college game? I have no idea. But, in terms of pure athletecism and quarterbacking skills, he's clearly got the most to offer. Let's hope he develops and can do it on this level.

    It was a disappointing loss and, like four of the other five losses, didn't have to happen. ND, with its talented senior class that had been ranked number two when recruited, had enough firepower to go 11-2. You are right, the QB situation is what derailed them. Though I think Kelly was placed in an awkward spot. Crist didn't develop, Rees overachieved for awhile, Kelly had to record wins and Hendrix and Golson were not the kind of instant phenoms who could go right in and make history.

    I think Kelly handled the situation as well as he could have, excpet for not giving Hendrix more face time in blowout games. But, as you pointed out, QB still remains the team's weakness. I think, next year, Kelly must bite the bullet and move away from Rees, or else his contract will not be renewed in year 5. Four 8-5's is not going to cut it.

    Risksorter

  • Correction: pt. 2. I meant to say Faust's third and fourth years.

    Risksorter

  • Lou,

    Unfortunately everything you just said is 100% correct.

    travisbarke

  • Lou, your insight is always spot on. Good article.

    orionred

  • Great article. Its hard to argue with it. On the other hand, I do believe with average quarterback play, this team would have finished with no more than 2 losses and we would all feel fairly if not very satisfied with the season. That is with no other changes, in spite of some serious holes. The D played well enough for this team to be undefeated--really.

    ndlaw83

  • Lou, excellent descriptive article about what this season has revealed about players and coaches.

    I thought that Lou Holtz's comment (as well as his facial expression) after the game summed up the frustration and disbelief of all ND fans who watched. Why in the world would we change our defensive strategy in the second half when FSU didn't move the ball in any meaningful way during the first half?

    I think the point made above that Kelly is "uncomfortable" with this team (i.e.,absent the spread offense) is just the way it looks to fans, etc. Is he a fish out of water in attempting to coach a team without a spread quarterback?

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    jtesi

  • I really like Tommy Rees. I think he is a very good football player, who in the right situation could be a real glue guy that solidifies a BCS level offense, similiar to Tommy Clements ( I am not making a direct comparison just type-casting of the ultimate field-general type QB). However, throughout the year Rees has demonstrated why he will be a back-up next year, maybe dropping as far as third team. @012 schedule will be brutal but for the development of the program ND needs to show it can utilize SEC-type athletes at all positions. Time to pull out the stops and live with aggressive QB mistakes instead of playing safe and then make the same mistakes over and over. Thanks, Tommy, and please to look to how Dayne Crist handled his situation. Be a positive force for the team.

    ndomer70

    Terrence C

  • The QB situation is a disaster..to think BK was not going to recruit a QB until the Keil fiasco speaks volumes..we let Mauk go and now are in scrambling mode...we have no QB for next year after two years..BK has not done his job period ..he is in over his head...that is obvious...if we start a new QB next year then we have two years of breaking in and lose at least 4-5 again...Lou, interested on your take of the future but unless we have a defense that is tops in the country next year we are doomed ..the only hope is a few 5 stars that can come in to play right away...the biggest issue is with this poor record is that we failed to prepare for next year...so sad
    Also I think letting MacNamara go was a big mistake..we are one injury from TE issues ..along with already QB..RB..WR..S..you name it

    BORGHI

  • Lou - good analysis. I look forward to your next article. This year reminds me of 1972 - when Ara never found his quarterback. However, it was the loss of Jonas Gray that seemed to most de-rail the offense late season.

    It is poignant that Kelley - known for preparing multiple quarterbacks - seems to have fumbled this year. I say "seems" because my hunch is there is a story behind the curtain of this team that we are not likely to know soon. Both the qb issue and the turnovers ... indicate to me some inner turmoil within the team that was never resolved.

    My hope - we come out of the Spring game with a quarterback - not a controversy.

    This post was edited by ashaia on 12/30/2011 at 12:39 PM

    Keeper of the Count to Resurrection II: the Kelly Era begins - - POTW: June 2010 & August 2011 - - member since 2004

    ashaia

  • How does this compare with 1987? The feeling in 1986 was good despite the record and Nd looked good for a period in 1987 but then faltered down the stretch. If memory serves, there was also some musical chairs with the QB but that may have been injury related. Similarly, ND graduated one of their best WRs in 1988 with the loss of Tim Brown. I'm not saying that next year will be any different and certainly not 1988, but I'm curious for those who know how this year and the outlook for next year compare to 1987 and 1988.

    mmm

  • I think we are fine for next year. I would like to have a better idea of the QB position but look at LSU this year. They didn't look great offensively the first half of the year and they were ok. The defense will certainly need to be great next year. But if they are, the offense just needs to protect the ball and score a few TDs.

    I have a lot of faith in Golson. He is a great athlete and obviously very smart. I think he can come in next year and run this offense without a big step back. If he doesn't turn the ball over it will be a step forward.

    Its the same thing with the CB situation next year. How can it get any worse than it was this year. The CBs were repeatedly beaten throughout the year. If we put 4-5 star Frosh out there next year, it couldn't be much worse than this year and COULD be remarkably better.

    I think we are 2 years away from where Kelly wants this team to be. But BCS is in the picture for next year even with the tough schedule.

    If you hold your opponents to under 20 pts, you don't have to be great on offense. Have faith Irish fans!!! This team is looking more the part of being great than I've seen in the past 5 years. They have the athletes and talent. The coaches need to put them in the right place to make plays. They didn't in the 2nd half of the FSU game.

    adernbach

  • Lou,

    Wow. Excellent summary, I couldn't agree more. An honest, fair assessment of the team and program. I have not read much of your work and I am new here but so far I am very pleased.

    mgormal1

  • mmm said...

    How does this compare with 1987? The feeling in 1986 was good despite the record and Nd looked good for a period in 1987 but then faltered down the stretch. If memory serves, there was also some musical chairs with the QB but that may have been injury related. Similarly, ND graduated one of their best WRs in 1988 with the loss of Tim Brown. I'm not saying that next year will be any different and certainly not 1988, but I'm curious for those who know how this year and the outlook for next year compare to 1987 and 1988.

    I see parallels also but that 87 team won big gmes before faltering down the stretch. What Ive not seen yet from Kelly is how to gameplan against better teams in big games. Holtz was a master at it.

    Im not yet certain Kelly has the magician's touch. Time will tell.

    POTW 11/9 to 11/15/2010

    MIDTNIRISH

  • Lou
    Enjoyed your insights and the sober analysis. Can only add that it looks as if we're stuck in park on the QB situation with neither of the 2 playing now having the confidence of the coaches. Also didn't see progress on TR's part thru the season. Other factor is depth in the backfield and WR. The defensive backfield is being replenished and hopefully the front 7 can protect them more next season with a heavy rush till they get it together on schemes etc.
    More than anything, I hope that Kelly picks either Hendrix or Golson and works the stuffing out of them between now and next season so that we have 2 who fit the spread and know the playbook. He knows what Tr can give the team and also knows his ceiling. If we're still guessing at the end of spring practice, I'm likely to beak out a barf bag from my Air Force days. Didn't talk special teams because .......

    TOG

  • JoePH said...

    Lou, I would argue that they did play championship caliber defense. Fsu had 4 big pass plays. They were all low percentage plays, but their players made some miraculous clutch throws and catches. Good job by them, when ND had their opportunities for big plays they didn't capitalize. In the 2nd half ND had fresh. Lynch, tuitt, nix, Williams, and soph. Jackson and shembo on the field at the same time. The 4 freshman fsu lineman were going up against freshmen from nd also. Bottom line is, the offense and special teams put the defense in bad spots.

    Very solid points, Joe.

    Lou, I don't think I'm on the same page with you here as far as some of the conclusions or implications you have drawn, or at least hinted at. I'm going to expand on Joe's point to look at much of the season. Games are often won on ebbs and flows of field position, ability to sustain drives, and then capitalize on opportunity. Starting with turnover yardage differential and special teams yardage differential, Notre Dame had to have one of the worst cumulative rankings in D-1. Now part of that is quarterback-related, part of it coaching and part of it some remarkable bounces of the ball. None of that, however, is determinative of future success, or lack thereof. Special teams can improve, and there were signs of that as the season progressed. Funny bounces? Well, you have to assume that a few will go your way eventually. Which brings us to the quarterback piece, and therein lies the rub. In last night's game we saw an example of a slightly above average QB get to the red zone and be able to put the ball where his receivers could make plays, and they made exceptional ones. Conversely, ND's below average QB could only do that one out of three times, and the two failures were costly. In a four point game, that simplifies the differential.

    I don't feel the need for all the hand-wringing about the state of the program, as if this is just one more example of ND's downward spiral. This was a team that was beaten somewhat decisively (though hardly completely outplayed) by two teams with an exponential edge at the quarterback position, and three other games with an abysmal turnover differential, erratic quarterback play, and substandard special teams performance. They were not pushed around in the trenches, as was the case in many prior years, and that's an essential foundation. The other problems can be fixed. That's not to say they will, or that this staff is capable of doing it, as that remains a big unknown. And, most certainly the entire quarterback situation is an enormous question mark. But these are not problems resulting from coaching staffs over their heads at the college level, or lacking the work ethic necessary at this highest level, or incapable of building a comprehensive college program. They are black marks on the staff's performance to date, but they are well within the range of correctable situations, and until it is clear that they won't be by the current incumbents, I'll look forward to the next season.

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    HamOnWry22

  • Lou and all,
    Well, I attended the game, and my take was that the team performed significantly worse in the second half than the score indicates. We had this game in hand, but the Irish secondary played extremely poorly. You can say that there were a couple of great plays by the FSU receivers, but they were mis-covered all night long.
    Next, the play calling was more than suspect, it was ill-timed and frankly awful.
    I also want to mention that the NATIONAL TV coverage showed Coach Kelly not once, but twice, berating a player on the sideline. That is inexcusable. While one should coach up the players, seeing that on the replays later (people called me to point that out) is not the image I believe ND should portray to anyone, especially recruits. Nobody wants to be embarrassed on TV, bad play or not, and the parents of recruits saw that as well. My take, then is not near as positive as others, for the game or the next season. Maybe that awful FSU chop chant has gotten to me, but it was pretty sad to watch.

    IrishBacks

  • HamOnWry22 said...

    Very solid points, Joe.

    Lou, I don't think I'm on the same page with you here as far as some of the conclusions or implications you have drawn, or at least hinted at. I'm going to expand on Joe's point to look at much of the season. Games are often won on ebbs and flows of field position, ability to sustain drives, and then capitalize on opportunity. Starting with turnover yardage differential and special teams yardage differential, Notre Dame had to have one of the worst cumulative rankings in D-1. Now part of that is quarterback-related, part of it coaching and part of it some remarkable bounces of the ball. None of that, however, is determinative of future success, or lack thereof. Special teams can improve, and there were signs of that as the season progressed. Funny bounces? Well, you have to assume that a few will go your way eventually. Which brings us to the quarterback piece, and therein lies the rub. In last night's game we saw an example of a slightly above average QB get to the red zone and be able to put the ball where his receivers could make plays, and they made exceptional ones. Conversely, ND's below average QB could only do that one out of three times, and the two failures were costly. In a four point game, that simplifies the differential.

    I don't feel the need for all the hand-wringing about the state of the program, as if this is just one more example of ND's downward spiral. This was a team that was beaten somewhat decisively (though hardly completely outplayed) by two teams with an exponential edge at the quarterback position, and three other games with an abysmal turnover differential, erratic quarterback play, and substandard special teams performance. They were not pushed around in the trenches, as was the case in many prior years, and that's an essential foundation. The other problems can be fixed. That's not to say they will, or that this staff is capable of doing it, as that remains a big unknown. And, most certainly the entire quarterback situation is an enormous question mark. But these are not problems resulting from coaching staffs over their heads at the college level, or lacking the work ethic necessary at this highest level, or incapable of building a comprehensive college program. They are black marks on the staff's performance to date, but they are well within the range of correctable situations, and until it is clear that they won't be by the current incumbents, I'll look forward to the next season.

    HamOnWry22. This is one of the best posts I have read today. Very reasonable and very insightful. Also, I agree. Thank you for this very good try at talking some people in off the ledge

    ndlaw83

  • IrishBacks said...

    Lou and all, Well, I attended the game, and my take was that the team performed significantly worse in the second half than the score indicates. We had this game in hand, but the Irish secondary played extremely poorly. You can say that there were a couple of great plays by the FSU receivers, but they were mis-covered all night long. Next, the play calling was more than suspect, it was ill-timed and frankly awful. I also want to mention that the NATIONAL TV coverage showed Coach Kelly not once, but twice, berating a player on the sideline. That is inexcusable. While one should coach up the players, seeing that on the replays later (people called me to point that out) is not the image I believe ND should portray to anyone, especially recruits. Nobody wants to be embarrassed on TV, bad play or not, and the parents of recruits saw that as well. My take, then is not near as positive as others, for the game or the next season. Maybe that awful FSU chop chant has gotten to me, but it was pretty sad to watch.

    I agree. This game was an absolute embarrassment and there was no reason we should have lost it. This loss was all on Kelly. He and only he lost this game when they dialed the defense back in the third quarter. Aa usual, his play calling was beyond suspect and has been the whole time he has been at ND. We can only hope to be mediocre at best with this coach. I hate to be such a pessimist, but I think it is obvious that Kelly is in over his head. I am so frustrated. I don't understand why it is so difficult to rebuild a program at ND. I've pretty much had it. We seem destined to always find a way to underperform and I don't understand why this should be the case.

    jvandebosche