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dead horse revisited (espn)

  • It never ceases to amaze me how espn perennially rates ND commits lower than any other site. Exhibit A: Gunner Kiel. On every other Collegiate Athlete rating site he is 5 star. ND signed him, ergo Espn rates him 4 star. Arik Armstead , he is considering ND, therefore, he is 4 star. Everyone Else's charts hes a 5 star. Im seeing a pattern......... Tee Shepperd 4 star everywhere else.....Espn will most assuredly drop him to 3 star. For ever espn has pushed their dislike of all things ND to the masses. They are often heard to wax poetic on their thoughts that ND is a school of self important egos. Yet how do the refer to OSU? "The ohio state university" its one thing that OSU calls themselves that , but espn? sigh

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by aceinthehole on 1/18/2012 at 10:28 AM

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  • I'd like to add that OSU = poo.

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  • aceinthehole said...

    It never ceases to amaze me how espn perennially rates ND commits lower than any other site. Exhibit A: Gunner Kiel. On every other Collegiate Athlete rating site he is 5 star. ND signed him, ergo Espn rates him 4 star. Arik Armstead , he is considering ND, therefore, he is 4 star. Everyone Else's charts hes a 5 star. Im seeing a pattern......... Tee Shepperd 4 star everywhere else.....Espn will most assured drop him to 3 star. For ever espn has pushed their dislike of all things ND to the masses. They are often heard to wax poetic on their thoughts that ND is a school of self important egos. Yet how do the refer to OSU? "The ohio state university" its one thing that OSU calls themselves that , but espn? sigh

    Great observation. They will continue to piss on everything Notre Dame.

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  • IFR said...

    I'd like to add that OSU = poo.

    This is true, and I fling poo

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  • aceinthehole said...

    It never ceases to amaze me how espn perennially rates ND commits lower than any other site. Exhibit A: Gunner Kiel. On every other Collegiate Athlete rating site he is 5 star. ND signed him, ergo Espn rates him 4 star. Arik Armstead , he is considering ND, therefore, he is 4 star. Everyone Else's charts hes a 5 star. Im seeing a pattern......... Tee Shepperd 4 star everywhere else.....Espn will most assured drop him to 3 star. For ever espn has pushed their dislike of all things ND to the masses. They are often heard to wax poetic on their thoughts that ND is a school of self important egos. Yet how do the refer to OSU? "The ohio state university" its one thing that OSU calls themselves that , but espn? sigh

    Look, I don't care for ESPN very much, but your post is ridiculous and devoid of facts.

    The REASON Gunner is not a 5 star is that ESPN has only given 9 players five stars as of now. ESPN consistently gives fewer 5 star ratings than the other services. If you look at the numerical ranking given to Gunner, they rate him the 20th best player in the country, which is HIGHER than the ranking 247 gives him (247 says 24th best player) and the same as rivals.

    Similar situation with Arik Armstead, who they rank as 15th best in the country.

    I am happy to hate on ESPN, but for goodness sake, try connecting your complaints to actual facts.

    magogian

  • Did you watch the piece on ESPN yesterday about Kiel flipping to Irish. At the end of the piece the sports caster turned to Hannah Storm and said you have been singing their fight song for over an hour now can you stop it. (Paraphrasing as I don't remember the exact phrase) So not everyone there hates us.

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  • Klord1379 said...

    Did you watch the piece on ESPN yesterday about Kiel flipping to Irish. At the end of the piece the sports caster turned to Hannah Storm and said you have been singing their fight song for over an hour now can you stop it. (Paraphrasing as I don't remember the exact phrase) So not everyone there hates us.

    That's awesome. I hadn't known that Storm was an ND grad. Suddenly, I like her.

    magogian

  • Well, of course not all at espn hate ND and what it represents. Magogian, first I was posting somewhat tongue in cheek. I have been a member of this site and known many people on here upwards of 10 years. However if you have truly followed recruiting over the last 25 years, which you may very well have done like I have you would have to agree that espn has verbal distaste towards ND, from several of their chatterboxes. Holtz being the one who while often is critical of bad choices being made and rightly so, still stands behind ND. As his coaching acumen will attest his stint at ND was a shining light, but only a portion of this career. Yet he gets what ND is about. Mark May is a hater, but I think that is more about ratings than true hatred. Anger sells. Kirk Herbstriet is probably the only truly unbiased guy they have. At least in what he says on air.

    This post was edited by aceinthehole on 1/18/2012 at 10:44 AM

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  • aceinthehole said...

    It never ceases to amaze me how espn perennially rates ND commits lower than any other site. Exhibit A: Gunner Kiel. On every other Collegiate Athlete rating site he is 5 star. ND signed him, ergo Espn rates him 4 star. Arik Armstead , he is considering ND, therefore, he is 4 star. Everyone Else's charts hes a 5 star. Im seeing a pattern......... Tee Shepperd 4 star everywhere else.....Espn will most assuredly drop him to 3 star. For ever espn has pushed their dislike of all things ND to the masses. They are often heard to wax poetic on their thoughts that ND is a school of self important egos. Yet how do the refer to OSU? "The ohio state university" its one thing that OSU calls themselves that , but espn? sigh

    Also worth pointing out that ESPN is the only site who has Ferguson rated higher than 3 stars.... in fact, they have him as our 2nd best recruit and top 75 overall I believe. Does that mean they know something we don't know and Ferguson is planning on signing somewhere else? The team rankings between 5 and 15 or so are so fluid that there isn't much of a difference between those classes, typically 1 player or so. We jumped an average of like 7 or 8 spots with Kiel committing.

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  • aceinthehole said...

    It never ceases to amaze me how espn perennially rates ND commits lower than any other site. Exhibit A: Gunner Kiel. On every other Collegiate Athlete rating site he is 5 star. ND signed him, ergo Espn rates him 4 star. Arik Armstead , he is considering ND, therefore, he is 4 star. Everyone Else's charts hes a 5 star. Im seeing a pattern......... Tee Shepperd 4 star everywhere else.....Espn will most assuredly drop him to 3 star. For ever espn has pushed their dislike of all things ND to the masses. They are often heard to wax poetic on their thoughts that ND is a school of self important egos. Yet how do the refer to OSU? "The ohio state university" its one thing that OSU calls themselves that , but espn? sigh

    Stars don't mean sh*t when these kids walk on campus. I know we all want the love that Texas and Florida get on paper every February but Ill take a Boise State recruiting ranking if it means ND is gonna have 12 wins next year.

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  • She is and ND grad

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  • dschweitzer said...

    Also worth pointing out that ESPN is the only site who has Ferguson rated higher than 3 stars.... in fact, they have him as our 2nd best recruit and top 75 overall I believe. Does that mean they know something we don't know and Ferguson is planning on signing somewhere else? The team rankings between 5 and 15 or so are so fluid that there isn't much of a difference between those classes, typically 1 player or so. We jumped an average of like 7 or 8 spots with Kiel committing.

    I am not versed in scouting, I leave that to the pros, so im not saying that they are wrong. I just have to wonder why they do this so often. Teo has proven to be a 5 star prototypical player, yet others have not. So while I often disagree with rankings, in the end its how they are coached collegiately and how much effort they put forward. Quinn was not a 5 star, but played like one for us.

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  • tedhardman said...

    She is and ND grad

    I don't know where this idea that she wasn't an ND grad came from.

    This post was edited by magogian on 1/18/2012 at 10:57 AM

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  • IFR said...

    I'd like to add that OSU = poo.

    miami = poo
    and it tOSU to you.

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  • I have a lot of issues with ESPN (not just related to ND football), but ranking ND's recruiting classes in the 10-20 range when the product on the field never makes it into the top 25 isn't one of them. I realize many factors go into winning, such as coaching, etc., but for the past several years, ESPN's "low" class rankings for ND have correlated more closely with how things end up playing out on the field than any of the other services.

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  • magogian said...

    That's awesome. I hadn't known that Storm was an ND grad. Suddenly, I like her.

    Hannah was a few classes ahead of me at ND. She was one of the prettiest girls on campus, and seemed very nice. By the way, her name back then was Hannah Storen. Storm is just a catchy TV name, not sure if she legally changed it or not.

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  • magogian said...

    Look, I don't care for ESPN very much, but your post is ridiculous and devoid of facts.

    The REASON Gunner is not a 5 star is that ESPN has only given 9 players five stars as of now. ESPN consistently gives fewer 5 star ratings than the other services. If you look at the numerical ranking given to Gunner, they rate him the 20th best player in the country, which is HIGHER than the ranking 247 gives him (247 says 24th best player) and the same as rivals.

    Similar situation with Arik Armstead, who they rank as 15th best in the country.

    I am happy to hate on ESPN, but for goodness sake, try connecting your complaints to actual facts.

    Great post!

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  • Ace, I almost never watch ESPN except for an actual game, but I will check their website occasionally, and what amuses me is the positioning of stories. I'm certainly not objective about this, but it does seem that other schools seem to get top billing for their good news, though the Kiel story was an exception.

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  • HamOnWry22 said...

    Ace, I almost never watch ESPN except for an actual game, but I will check their website occasionally, and what amuses me is the positioning of stories. I'm certainly not objective about this, but it does seem that other schools seem to get top billing for their good news, though the Kiel story was an exception.

    I think it was a slow day so by default Kiel got top billing. Which he should have anyway :P

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  • The biggest reason Armstead has dropped is that he is adamant about playing defense. If he would be open to playing OT, he would probably be one of the two or three highest OTs in the country, if not the highest ranked one. All the sites rave about his potential, but it seems to me that they all believe he is better suited to OT than DE.

    There is no ND bias there. It's just about that issue.

    mkurinsk

  • mkurinsk said...

    The biggest reason Armstead has dropped is that he is adamant about playing defense. If he would be open to playing OT, he would probably be one of the two or three highest OTs in the country, if not the highest ranked one. All the sites rave about his potential, but it seems to me that they all believe he is better suited to OT than DE.

    There is no ND bias there. It's just about that issue.

    You may have a point there. If that is the case, then you go where the defenses are perennially stout, which is the sec. Not saying we cant have a good defense, its just that as of late we havent shown it.

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