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Recent news today at ND internet sites (UND.com) is that the Atkinsons qualified for the finals in the indoor 60M at the Meyo Invitational...
--- great ... and Jackson qualified in the highs...
But what is reality here in terms of a player of such magnitude as Darby who is committed to running internationally (besides football) and why he chose FSU?
ND's track team is "light years" behind such elite teams as Florida and FSU, let alone powerhouses like Oregon, UCLA, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas, etc.
It isn't close, not even remotely close....
--- I might be wrong, but I don't think we scored a point in the 2011 Outdoor Championships.
If you truly want to run internationally, you don't choose ND.
Why did Darby choose FSU? If you want to go to college and come out dumber then you went in.......you go to FSU. If you want to work hard and get an EDUCATION (I thought that was the goal of going to College?), and get a JOB when you graduate if you can't make it to the next level then you go to ND.
Interesting. I ran nationally and internationally, and I went to Notre Dame. Rick Wohlhuter was world record at the 880 (800 meter), the world track and field athlete of the year, and won a bronze medal in the Olympic Games, and was an NCAA champion (600 indoors) at Notre Dame. Tom McMahon was NCAA champion in the hurdles at Notre Dame. Ryan Shay won the NCAA 10,000. Molly Huddle, an ND alum, is the current American Record holder in the women's 5000 meter and defending national champion. Patrick Smyth was a member of last years US Cross-Country team, and he went to Notre Dame. Rocket Ismail was an NCAA runner-up in the indoor 55 meter. Bill Hurd was a world record holder in the indoor 300 yard dash and finished 6th in the 100 meter in the Olympic Trials. My coach at Notre Dame was a multiple time NCAA champion in the 800/880 and won a silver and 2 bronze medals in the Olympics. I could go on and on.
Although Darby would be a pretty fast football player, and a welcome addition to our team, it is very unlikely that he would develop into an international level sprinter unless he shows dramatic improvement. His best HS mark of 10.72 last year tied for 230th among high school sprinters in the US (he ran 10.61 in the IAAF World Youth Championships), good but not great even given the fact he was a junior. It's very unlikely he could achieve anything on the track close to what any of the athletes listed above have achieved.
As far as the track program is concerned, the Irish men have won the Big East 3 out of the last 4 years, and a bunch of times before that. What men's sport at ND can boast better results than that?
Of course, the southern schools like FSU, Florida, and Texas have a huge advantage in recruiting sprinters because of weather. Note how fast SEC football teams are. But as far as Oregon is concerned, their best guy has run 10.42, which isn't much better than Atkinson's best mark. There is no reason whatsoever a fast kid shouldn't go to Notre Dame to play football and run track.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by patH72 2 years ago
Nice info, great post.
This post was edited by Mattymo 2 years ago
Running your mouth on something you have no idea what you're talking about. But, what's new.
First, we get the proverbial negativity: "If you truly want to run internationally, you don't choose ND." Once again, the "put down", the caustic, anti-ND remark delivered with the authority of "he who knows." The problem: the comment is wrong!! patH72 recites facts, of which I am sure 6yardssitko was totally unaware, that once again refutes the attempt to glorify all things from SEC land (FSU seems more like an SEC team than an ACC team) and ridicule ND and its coaching staff.
There are things at ND that can be criticized; but, let's critique with at least a semblence of understanding the facts and a view to being constructive rather than destructive.
Speaking of fast kids, we appear still to be pursuing RB Davonte Neal. He's apparently run 10.80, which would be a nice enhancement to our speed at the skill positions.
Great summary an agree with you 100% !!
I have a son who graduated from ND & attends FSU law on scholarship. Another son currently at ND & our third son was wait listed at ND but is on scholarship at FSU honors program. He would like to transfer to ND in future. They are all ND fans and the two at FSU state the difference in academics, campus life and quality of student is "night & day"........
ND Family...Go Irish !!!!
To take all of this one step further. Last year FSU had a sprinter run a 9.89 100 meters, and Darby isn't even the fastest player to commit to the Noles this year. Wide receiver recruit Marvin Bracy ran a 10.28.
Yes, Florida State is currently king of the hill in men's sprinting, having gotten 1st and 3rd in the NCAA 100 meter last spring and also was the 4 x 100 Meter Relay winner. Ngonidzashe Makusha was the 100 champ. He's from Zimbabwe; we don't get a lot of kids from there. I don't think any of their top sprinters play football, though.
This post was edited by patH72 2 years ago
How about FSU's 200 guys? Thought I read that Darby is best at that distance.
He ran 21.34 last year. Bracy, mentioned above, ran 21.24. This would make Darby a little more effective at 200. If he were a full-time track guy they would probably be thinking about moving him to the 400 eventually.
FSU had the NCAA winner (Maurice Mitchell) and the 4th placer (Brandon Byram) in the 200 last year, so they were as successful in that event as the 100.
Speaking above of the 400, Notre Dame has 2 of the 6 fastest 400 meter runners indoors at this point in the season (sophomore Patrick Feeney, 46.73, and freshman Christopher Giesting, 46.80). Both ran their times on Notre Dame's very fast indoor track at the Loftus Center. They probably won't end the season ranked this high but it's still noteworthy.
Granted it is like a dog's age in the past but you left out Bill Boyle the Athlete of the Decade at ND ( 1960s) who finished 5th in the Olympic Trials in 1968 in the 440 after battling Acute Hepatitis which he contracted on a South American Mission through Moreau Seminary. In that race he ran the 5th Fastest 440 time ever. Unfortunately the 4 fastest times were in the same race. ( Famous Black Power podium picture from Mexico City)
But he does have a point in that FSU had 4 of the Top 25 Sprinters in the country last year.
This post was edited by egastro 2 years ago
POTW - Last year and 2/20/11
Good point. If you're speaking of US Olympic Track and Field Trials of the past, I left out a number of guys. Top ND finishers include Aubrey Lewis (8th in the 1956 Decathlon), Bill Hurd (6th in the 1968 100 Meter), Chuck Aragon (4th in the 1984 1500, 8th in the 1988 1500), Ryan Shay (10th in the 2000 10,000), Bill Clark (8th in the 1968 10,000, 11th in the 1972 marathon), this writer (8th in the 1976 5,000), not to forget Rick Wohlhuter who won both the 800 and 1500 at the 1976 Trials and thus actually made the team! If you go way back there are a few more, and I haven't included any women.
Bill Boyle was actually 7th in the 1964 Olympic Trials and held the school record at ND for decades. I just met him for the first time a couple of years ago and had a chance to chat with him for a while. He seemed like a really good guy and certainly was an outstanding athlete in his time.
To hell with darby go IRISH !!!!!!!!
But it would have bee nice to have him. At least Kelly is trying to upgrade the speed of the team, which I don't think Weis was really doing seriously enough.
Why are we still talking about Darby?
Because, unless we get Neal, we won't have recruited any really fast players this year. That's not the right direction to be going in when you're in your third year of recruiting. But, as you implicitly remind us, this guy isn't coming to Notre Dame.
Rivals has our recruiting class at #22, Scout at #18, ESPN at #10. Go figure. But in any event it would be nice to be achieving a little bit more in recruiting at this point.
Congratulations to the men's track team for winning the Big East indoor championships.
Josh Atkinson finished 5th in the 60, the top freshman.
In the 200, George Atkinson was 3rd and Josh was 6th. They were the only freshmen in the finals.
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