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  • I hate this lost as much as anyone but at the end of the day we were a 7-5 team last year ...
    Weis didn't recruit any linemen offense or defense and we are paying the price now ....

    If we go 8-4 this year it is a move in the right direction ... this board will be doom and gloom, esp. after we start 0-2 but it will come together and the recruiting is solid ... media made a big deal about the 2nd year of coaches but those teams didn't have 8 years of crappy recruiting (okay maybe 6 out of 8 years) ... Kelly is the right guy and they will be fine in the long run ... I wanted a BCS year this year too but it was probably premature thinking

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  • mh2365 said... (original post)

    I hate this lost as much as anyone but at the end of the day we were a 7-5 team last year ... Weis didn't recruit any linemen offense or defense and we are paying the price now ....

    If we go 8-4 this year it is a move in the right direction ... this board will be doom and gloom, esp. after we start 0-2 but it will come together and the recruiting is solid ... media made a big deal about the 2nd year of coaches but those teams didn't have 8 years of crappy recruiting (okay maybe 6 out of 8 years) ... Kelly is the right guy and they will be fine in the long run ... I wanted a BCS year this year too but it was probably premature thinking

    You should like what this board has been for the past five years or so of give it time. It's like waiting to get laid from Miss America and they she marries Prince Harry. I'm sick and tired of this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again ad nauseum.

    The D and O lines weren't the problem, it was the lack of fundamentals and preparedness and that falls on the coach.

  • cagefighter said... (original post)

    You should like what this board has been for the past five years or so of give it time. It's like waiting to get laid from Miss America and they she marries Prince Harry. I'm sick and tired of this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again ad nauseum.

    The D and O lines weren't the problem, it was the lack of fundamentals and preparedness and that falls on the coach.

    I'm dumbfounded by how players who are good enough to play D-1 football can be so bad at fundamentals.

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  • USF didn't win as much as ND lost. That line has been said many times in the last 15 years, but it has never been more true than today. ND outgained USF by a 2-1 margin. USF had 3 yards per carry and 4.3 yards per pass attempt. The only thing the defense did wrong was commit some stupid, drive extending penalties. And yes, cagefighter, that is definitely on the coaches. The lads on defense came out flat today, but were still able to dominate. If BK can get their heads in the game the defense is going to be for real.

    How many times have you seen an offense with the kind of blunders that ND had today? 3 turnovers in goal to go situations. Any one of those plays would have reversed the outcome. On top of that, the formerly automatic Ruffer, who has now missed 2 FGs in a row, also would have reversed the outcome. Hit that field goal and the missed pt conversion would likely have been a made kick.

    13 points in 6 trips to the redzone is just not normal, even for a team playing poorly let alone a team that moved the ball nearly at will (at least with Rees in the game). This was a very, very rare event.

  • I don't know how much it is on the coaches ... do you need to tell a 5th year senior not to grab the facemask on consecutive plays? Do you need to tell a Junior who has been solid all along to catch the damn ball and catch the damn punts, do you need to tell another senior not to hit a guy who is clearly down? ... only big mistake by the coaching staff was starting Crist ... Kelly was fooled by paper Crist ...

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  • mh2365 said... (original post)

    I hate this lost as much as anyone but at the end of the day we were a 7-5 team last year ... Weis didn't recruit any linemen offense or defense and we are paying the price now ....

    If we go 8-4 this year it is a move in the right direction ... this board will be doom and gloom, esp. after we start 0-2 but it will come together and the recruiting is solid ... media made a big deal about the 2nd year of coaches but those teams didn't have 8 years of crappy recruiting (okay maybe 6 out of 8 years) ... Kelly is the right guy and they will be fine in the long run ... I wanted a BCS year this year too but it was probably premature thinking

    I don't know how any Notre Dame fan can watch the Irish play as badly as we played today, lose an opening game in Notre Dame stadium, and to a team that didn't have a football program the last time we won a major bowl game, and not be seriously concerned. Consider the talent gap between Notre Dame and USF; are there more than 1 or 2 players on the entire USF squad who would have gotten scholarship offers at ND?

    It's true we were 7-5 last year, but 2 of those games (Michigan State and Tulsa) were basically gifts by our coaching staff to the opposition. So 9-3 wouldn't actually be much of an improvement. But we're not going to go anything near 8-4 if we play like we did today.

  • yeah what are we supposed to be used to this? pathetic

  • I don't want to start flogging Kelly; after Davie, Willingham, and Weis it's just gotten tiresome. But, my gosh, how could this team have been so unready to play today? It we had been beaten by some fabulous effort that would have been one thing but we made an amazing number of unfathomable mistakes today.

  • patH72 said... (original post)

    I don't want to start flogging Kelly; after Davie, Willingham, and Weis it's just gotten tiresome. But, my gosh, how could this team have been so unready to play today? It we had been beaten by some fabulous effort that would have been one thing but we made an amazing number of unfathomable mistakes today.

    you hit the nail on the head. i don't give a $hit about how bad the players played, all the stupid mistakes they made. It all comes down to the head coach and him not having his team ready to play. Coach em up my a$$.

  • knight84 said... (original post)

    you hit the nail on the head. i don't give a $hit about how bad the players played, all the stupid mistakes they made. It all comes down to the head coach and him not having his team ready to play. Coach em up my a$$.

    That is so cliche, reality is BK didn't fumble a ball or throw an interception........he puts the players on the field and puts them in a position to succeed. He can't control Gray and his penchant for fumbling we all saw it on TV, Cierre was gassed he waived to come out of the game, I cringed b/c you know what you get with Gray but what other option did BK have??? Gray HAS to play this year, there are no other RB's aside from the true FR.

    BK didn't tell Crist to throw a HORRIBLE pass and he sure as sh!t doesn't coach TJ to not look for the ball when running a route....the ball bounced RIGHT off his facemask. Don't pin this one on BK. They had a great gameplan, the FG where they got the offside was GREAT coaching, they knew what they were doing, that is good coaching. The simple FACT is that the players blew this one, they were not outcoached, they players were braindead and taking horrible penalties and just not focused.........everyone likes to blame a coach for 18-21 year old kids who aren't focused but reality is these kids need to look in the mirror, the gameplan and the defense were SOLID, the kids were out to lunch at times.

  • ahl0504 said... (original post)

    That is so cliche, reality is BK didn't fumble a ball or throw an interception........he puts the players on the field and puts them in a position to succeed. He can't control Gray and his penchant for fumbling we all saw it on TV, Cierre was gassed he waived to come out of the game, I cringed b/c you know what you get with Gray but what other option did BK have??? Gray HAS to play this year, there are no other RB's aside from the true FR.

    BK didn't tell Crist to throw a HORRIBLE pass and he sure as sh!t doesn't coach TJ to not look for the ball when running a route....the ball bounced RIGHT off his facemask. Don't pin this one on BK. They had a great gameplan, the FG where they got the offside was GREAT coaching, they knew what they were doing, that is good coaching. The simple FACT is that the players blew this one, they were not outcoached, they players were braindead and taking horrible penalties and just not focused.........everyone likes to blame a coach for 18-21 year old kids who aren't focused but reality is these kids need to look in the mirror, the gameplan and the defense were SOLID, the kids were out to lunch at times.

    The simple FACT is this coach is 8-6. Yeah he's doing a hell of a job.

  • ahl0504 said... (original post)

    That is so cliche, reality is BK didn't fumble a ball or throw an interception........he puts the players on the field and puts them in a position to succeed. He can't control Gray and his penchant for fumbling we all saw it on TV, Cierre was gassed he waived to come out of the game, I cringed b/c you know what you get with Gray but what other option did BK have??? Gray HAS to play this year, there are no other RB's aside from the true FR.

    BK didn't tell Crist to throw a HORRIBLE pass and he sure as sh!t doesn't coach TJ to not look for the ball when running a route....the ball bounced RIGHT off his facemask. Don't pin this one on BK. They had a great gameplan, the FG where they got the offside was GREAT coaching, they knew what they were doing, that is good coaching. The simple FACT is that the players blew this one, they were not outcoached, they players were braindead and taking horrible penalties and just not focused.........everyone likes to blame a coach for 18-21 year old kids who aren't focused but reality is these kids need to look in the mirror, the gameplan and the defense were SOLID, the kids were out to lunch at times.

    That's right on. Game plan was good, look at the stats. Sucks how dumb mistakes can unravel a couple weeks worth in just a couple quarters.

    On the bright side, fumbles and penalties are things you can focus and work on. It would be worse if we just had bad or untalented players; we'd be screwed all year. We do have talent and good game planning--if we can minimize the mistakes we could have one heck of a team.

    I'm betting we have that team sooner rather than later. If I'm BK I have all my offensive skill players playing "adopt a baby football" from today until the day they go a full 4 quarters without coughing it up. And two footballs for Riddick and Gray.

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  • knight84 said... (original post)

    The simple FACT is this coach is 8-6. Yeah he's doing a hell of a job.

    This is just wrong. What was Lou's record 14 games in? Thought so.

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  • Guyjin said... (original post)

    This is just wrong. What was Lou's record 14 games in? Thought so.

    Why do you insist on bringing Lou into this. We are today not years ago. I don't give a s#$t about Lou's record. I only care about today. Secondly, Kelly is no Lou and never will be.

  • qb2333 said... (original post)

    yeah what are we supposed to be used to this? pathetic

    is it really such a surprise that they lost ?

  • parkway4 said... (original post)

    Why do you insist on bringing Lou into this. We are today not years ago. I don't give a s#$t about Lou's record. I only care about today. Secondly, Kelly is no Lou and never will be.

    For comparison's sake, of course. He's almost worshipped as a god around these parts and had the same record as Brian Kelly.

    And it's actually a a lot more relevant now since we are 23 years removed from our last championship, not 10 like we were then. So if anything we should expect it to take LONGER to get to the top now after so many dormant years.

    There is a directly causal relationship between how much the fans cry for a coach to be fired right away and the ability for us to land a good head coach. The faster we moan for a change the less likely we are to land a good one next time. Why would I, a top-flight coach, destroy my career when I won't be given the time to properly fix that program before I'm yanked. Spoken extemporaneously.

    It's fine to criticize but these criticisms sound like we're calling for his head. And the line about Kelly never being Lou is void by default because you aren't psychic.

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  • Guyjin said... (original post)

    For comparison's sake, of course. He's almost worshipped as a god around these parts and had the same record as Brian Kelly.

    And it's actually a a lot more relevant now since we are 23 years removed from our last championship, not 10 like we were then. So if anything we should expect it to take LONGER to get to the top now after so many dormant years.

    There is a directly causal relationship between how much the fans cry for a coach to be fired right away and the ability for us to land a good head coach. The faster we moan for a change the less likely we are to land a good one next time. Why would I, a top-flight coach, destroy my career when I won't be given the time to properly fix that program before I'm yanked. Spoken extemporaneously.

    It's fine to criticize but these criticisms sound like we're calling for his head. And the line about Kelly never being Lou is void by default because you aren't psychic.

    Ok genius, Lou started out with an average team but his team improved throughout. Now we have bk(grand valley st head coach and coach of the thugs from cinn). So I will give him the benefit of the doubt and he showed great improvement toward the end of last year. 2011 should be great, lets feed off of last years success. He however had his experienced, talented team UNPREPARED for this debacle.. He is not ready to coach big boy football, that is obvious with his ranting and raving over frivolous $shit the whole game. After months of looking at both QB's he couldn't figure who is the best one? I am all for getting in kids a$$ when they screw up(see Lou Holtz for details) but to yell the entire game is ridiculous. He is way over his head, thats what happens when you coach at GV st. and Thug U. BK couldn't hold Lous fricking jock so don't even compare the two.

  • dannan14 said... (original post)

    USF didn't win as much as ND lost. That line has been said many times in the last 15 years, but it has never been more true than today. ND outgained USF by a 2-1 margin. USF had 3 yards per carry and 4.3 yards per pass attempt. The only thing the defense did wrong was commit some stupid, drive extending penalties. And yes, cagefighter, that is definitely on the coaches. The lads on defense came out flat today, but were still able to dominate. If BK can get their heads in the game the defense is going to be for real.

    How many times have you seen an offense with the kind of blunders that ND had today? 3 turnovers in goal to go situations. Any one of those plays would have reversed the outcome. On top of that, the formerly automatic Ruffer, who has now missed 2 FGs in a row, also would have reversed the outcome. Hit that field goal and the missed pt conversion would likely have been a made kick.

    13 points in 6 trips to the redzone is just not normal, even for a team playing poorly let alone a team that moved the ball nearly at will (at least with Rees in the game). This was a very, very rare event.

    Yep...ND got beat by ND, not USF.
    ND fumble on opening drive - 7 points less for ND, 7 pts more for USF.
    ND intercepted in endzone - 3 points less for ND.
    ND missed FG - 3 points less for ND.
    ND interecepted to start second half down at endzone - 3 points less for ND.

    ND 20+16 = 36
    USF 23 - 7 = 16.

    They turned a 36-16 "easy" win into a 23-20 loss. That doesn't even consider all the penalties!

  • Genius? Thank you for the affirmation.

    Why is it off limits to compare anybody to Lou Holtz? Devine, Ara, Leahy, Rockne... They are all his peers from different eras. So are Weis and Willingham and Davie. I'd say it's fine and even appropriate to compare them.

    And your argument is simply illogical. Yep, Lou showed improvement from his first year to his second. As you said, BK showed improvement during his first year. But as there has only been one game completed of his second year--which means that you don't know yet how the rest of the year goes--it's silly to compare to Holtz's second year to the first game of BK's second year.

    So you've painted yourself as a BK hater since you ignore logic when it applies to him. That's totally cool with me. Be a hater. Come back after the season is through and if BK hasn't improved the team you'll have something to back up your hate with. After all, he could go 0-12. But at this point, for all anybody knows, he could run the table.

    (And just to defend BK a little, coaching at GV St. and Cincinatti before graduating to bigger and better things is called going up the "career ladder." Nobody goes from Alabama to ND. Generally people start smaller and go bigger later (duh?). And not everybody is handed a huge head coaching job to start their career. Only Lane Kiffin. Boy I'm glad we don't have him.)

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