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Te'o In Depth With Couric
The court of public opinion may never get behind Manti Te’o. One by one, rational-minded people, who have bothered to look beyond initial “gotcha” journalism reports alleging Te’o’s role in making up a girlfriend for publicity, have been able to sift through the fiction to find what appear to be the facts in the matter.
There are still many though, like hosts on CNN and Fox News alike, who sit on their TV pulpits and decree Te’o’s guilt without really looking deeper at the details. However, the two in the media that have actually been able to speak with Te’o in the last week, ESPN’s Jeremy Schaap and syndicated talk show host Katie Couric, both find Te’o’s side of the story to be believable.
Couric’s interview, which also included Te’o’s father and mother, aired on her syndicated show “Katie” on Thursday after it was recorded on-camera Tuesday afternoon. Before the show hit the airwaves, Couric was a guest on “The Dan Patrick Show”, which airs on radio and DirecTV, to give some of her thoughts on what she saw and heard during the Te’o family interview.
“I think he did very well in the interview,” Couric told Patrick of Te’o. “I think it was incredibly compelling. I think he was very honest – honest about how this relationship unfolded. I don’t think he concocted this hoax.”
The relationship in question is the one Te’o thought he was having with a woman he knew as “Lennay Kekua”. Consistent with his interview with Schaap, Te’o denied any involvement in making up the relationship, but did admit to perpetrating it even after he learned the truth when he received a call from what he thought was Kekua in early December.
“Katie, put yourself in my situation,” Te’o said to Couric. “This girl who I committed myself to died on September 12th. Now I get a phone call on December 6th saying that she’s alive and then I’m going to be put on national TV (during the Heisman Trophy ceremony) two days later. What would you do?”
Couric then grilled Te’o on why he didn’t immediately tell his coaches or someone about the truth of that call. Instead, he went on TV two days later at the Heisman ceremony and talked about losing both his grandmother and girlfriend to cancer.
“Part of me was saying ‘If you say that she’s alive what would everybody think, what are you gonna tell everybody who followed you (and) who you’ve inspired. What are you gonna say,” Te’o responded when Couric asked him if his thought process was ‘This is my story and I’m sticking to it’.
“At that time, December 8th, two days after I had just found out she’s alive – as a 21-year old I wasn’t ready for that. I didn’t even tell my parents yet. I didn’t tell anybody. The only one who knew was me. That’s all and I felt I did not know who to turn to. I did not know who to tell. I did not know who to trust. It was a big thing for me and I was scared. That’s the truth. I was just scared and I didn’t know what to do.”
He also told the person he thought was Kekua that if she was alive to send him a picture with her holding a sign with that day’s date on it. He received that photo of the woman he thought was Kekua. Te’o told his mother on Dec. 25 and his father the next day that he thought Kekua was still alive.
On the same day Te’o’s interview with Couric aired, Ronaiah Tuiasosopo’s lawyer admitted in a New York Daily News interview that his client impersonated Kekua while perpetrating the hoax on Te’o – even taking photos from the Facebook page of a woman he knows to use as Kekua while aiding the hoax.
“It was Ronaiah as Lenny,” Milton Grimes, Tuiasosopo’s attorney said. “This wasn’t a prank to make to be having fun. It was establishing a communication with someone…it was a person (Tuiasosopo) with a troubled existence trying to reach out and communicate and have a relationship.”
Te’o told Couric he had a phone conversation with Tuiasosopo on Jan. 16 in which the former Notre Dame linebacker says his antagonist admitted to the hoax, but also told Te’o he thought he was helping him.
“On the same day that everybody else found out this situation I found out,” Te’o told Couric of how he finally realized the truth. “See, I got the call on December 6th saying that she was alive, and from Dec. 6th to January 16th my whole reality was that she was dead (but) now all of a sudden she was alive. At that time I didn’t know that it was just somebody’s prank.”
Te’o discredited the Deadspin report that claimed he and Tuiasosopo are related. He says the two had only spoken twice as far as he knew, because he was told that Tuiasosopo was Kekua’s cousin.
“I think that he’s not totally innocent in this in terms of how this story got out, but I do think he was victimized by this individual,” Couric said of how she believes Te’o was duped by Tuiasosopo.
The two biggest pieces of information Te’o provided in the interview with Couric were phone records of his conversations with “Kekua” as well as three voice mails “she” left on his cell phone.
Couric confirmed that she and her staff had examined Te’o’s phone records. She said during the interview that there were “dozens” of phone calls between Te’o and the phone number he knew as associated with Kekua. According to Couric, several of the calls lasted for hours.
The first of the voice mails is from Kekua’s first day of chemotherapy:
“Hi I’m just letting you know I got here and I’m getting ready for my first session and um just want to call you to keep you posted. I miss you, I love you. Bye.”
“It sounds like a girl, doesn’t it,” Te’o asked Couric after hearing the message.
The veteran TV news and talk show host responded “Yes it does.”
Another accuses Te’o of another woman answering Te’o’s phone while he was out of the room:
“I don’t know who answered your phone and I don’t care,” the woman said dramatically with the sound of tears in her voice. “I swear on my life I’m trying (long pause and sounds of sobbing)...you made it clear what you want (more sobbing). Take care.”
The final message was left on Sept. 11 – the day before Kekua supposedly died:
“Hey babe I’m just calling to say goodnight. I love you. I know that you’re probably doing homework or you’re with the boys or (inaudible) but I just wanted to say I love you and goodnight and I’ll be ok tonight. I’ll do my best. Um, yeah so get your rest and I’ll talk to you tomorrow. I love you so much Hun. Sweet dreams.”
The voice on the recordings has the falsetto sound of a female voice. Tuiasosopo’s lawyer confirmed in his interview that his client previously had both voice and acting training. He is a singer who was the president of high school drama club and auditioned for the NBC show “The Voice” as well.
Couric did not pull punches during her interview with Te’o. She asked the future NFL linebacker several hard hitting questions.
“One of the theories is you created this whole scenario to cover-up your sexual orientation. Are you gay,” she asked Te’o point blank.
“No,” Te’o said with a laugh. “Far from it…far from it,” he added with emphasis. “
Te’o had told his dad that he was going to meet Kekua while he was home for Christmas in 2011, but the meeting never took place. He told his father though that he actually did meet Kekua to “get my dad’s approval”. The lie he told his father, Brian Te’o, helped indirectly perpetuate the lie later on when Brian recounted the meeting that never took place in interviews with media.
“I think the biggest lie that I’m sorry for is the lie that I told my dad,” Te’o said. “When I told dad when he asked me ‘hey did you see her’ and I said ‘yes I saw her’. Your biggest thing is to always get the approval of your parents.”
The broadcast veteran, who began her journalism career with the ABC News Bureau in Washington D.C. in 1979, also asked Te’o if he thought the story of his relationship with and death of Kekua helped him to a second-place finish in the Heisman Trophy race.
“I don’t know,” Te’o responded. “I really don’t know.”
“I think he was honest about his shortcomings in terms of being completely honest about the nature of the relationship,” Couric told Patrick. “I think he conceded he misled people after he knew that something was terribly wrong and the whole thing was just completely fishy.”
The bulk of the interview that aired featured mostly Couric in a one-on-one setting with Te’o, but his parents were present for the last few minutes of the show as well. All three Te’os were in tears as they spoke of the pain the whole episode has caused. Manti expressed remorse for the pain he has caused his parents, while his parents expressed grief for what their son has gone through.
“I would just say you hurt me,” Te’o said when Couric asked what his message would be to Tuiasosopo if he could meet him face-to-face.
Couric told Dan Patrick both the story and interview were “fascinating”. People were talking trash about him everywhere he turned, right,” Couric responded. “I think that there was a lot of information out there, some of it inaccurate.”
“I think he’s a very naïve, very young 21-year old who is very dependent on his family,” Couric surmised. “I think also, I have to say from what I gather from his account the person behind this was extraordinarily manipulative and incredibly, really almost weirdly intelligent about the way this was conducted.”
Both sides of this compelling story are now available for public consumption. Those in the media who seem to most vehemently disbelieve the possibility that Te’o was not a part of the hoax, from Anderson Cooper to Bill O’Reilly, seem to be those who have the most to themselves gain by playing the role of devil’s advocate.
“It’s a very interesting lesson, I think, for journalists about this whole story,” Couric told Patrick “The fact that it was never really investigated.”
Those in the media who find Te’o’s story credible are more and more the ones who are able to actually listen with an objective ear and put their cynicism aside. They would point out the flaws in the shoddy reporting last from Deadspin that masqueraded as journalism.
Meanwhile, the Coopers and O’Reillys of the world who sit on their bully pulpits and pass judgment without a hint of true objectivity appear to be doing so out of scorn. Unlike either Couric or Schaap, they of course did not land the interview.
ND Offers 2014 WR
Mike Elston wanted to know what Shaq Davidson would think of an offer from Notre Dame, so the Irish assistant coach asked Gaffney High School (Gaffney, S.C.) head coach Dan Jones during a visit to the school on Thursday.
“I said, ‘Coach, well it’s Notre Dame,’” Jones recounted.
“‘You played for the national championship, everybody knows who you are, you’ve got a kid from South Carolina right now, quarterbacking your group, so certainly he’d think it was special.’”
Jones informed the 6-foot-1, 175-pound junior receiver of the offer from Notre Dame and the coach was right on with his prediction.
“He had a grin from end to end,” Jones said of Davidson. “Whether that’s where he wants to go or not, I don’t know that. I do know it’s certainly a well-respected program.”
Davidson also has offers from programs like Georgia, Georgia Tech, Tennessee, Ohio State and South Carolina among others. Elston’s explanation as to why the Irish were extending an offer was simple.
“Because they’ve seen enough video on him to know what kind of skills he’s got,” Jones said.
Jones certainly enjoys coaching a player of Davidson's caliber.
“Speed and then just his awareness and quickness,” the coach said of Davidson's strengths. “If you get it to him wide, he can take an easy pass, a screen or something and go the distance. He’s the type of kid who can make you look like a good coach when the play really shouldn’t work.”
Jones said Davidson would run a 4.4 in the 40-yard dash, but game speed is what really matters and said the junior wideout would run, “Faster than whoever is chasing him. He can go.”
Davidson is also a standout away from the field, according to his coach.
“He’s great,” said Jones. “He’s real unassuming. I told Coach he’s just real humble. He’s just a good kid. All of the kids like him. He’s one of those kids a lot of kids are attracted to.”
Jones doesn’t want Davidson to have to wait until the end of the process to squeeze in a bunch of visits and is already looking into a way to get the wideout out to South Bend this summer.
Irish Drop In On Hood
The three major Midwestern college football powers were all in Charlotte, N.C. on Wednesday.
Coaches from Notre Dame, Ohio State and Michigan were just latest in a long line of coaches parading through the hallways of Charlotte Catholic High School, checking on 2014 running back Elijah Hood.
The 6-foot-1, 210-pounder has offers from all three along with offers from Clemson, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, South Carolina, Duke, Virginia, Virginia Tech and Vanderbilt among others. He currently has a top five that includes the Irish, Buckeyes, North Carolina, Clemson and Georgia Tech.
“Each school is kind of different and each school has the kinds of things I like a lot, but overall, I think I could be successful at all off those schools,” Hood said of his current favorites. “They’ll give me a pretty good chance to do what I want to do and they seem like places where I can achieve my objective.”
As for what he likes about Notre Dame, “What is there to not like?”
Irish assistant Mike Elston handled the recruitment of Hood’s former teammate, Mark Harrell, who just finished his freshman year as an offensive lineman at Notre Dame. Elston represented the Irish at Charlotte Catholic on Wednesday. Coaches are prevented from extensive in-person contact with underclassmen at this point, but Hood has remained in touch with the Irish staff.
“They’re basically telling me that they’re trying to get me up there to South Bend,” Hood said of the Notre Dame coaches. “They’re just waiting for me to go up there and take the next step with them and that’s what I plan on doing.”
Hood, who will take a trip to Clemson next weekend, is trying to put together a trip to South Bend to catch a spring practice. If he’s able to set that up, he’ll probably hit at least one other Midwestern school as well.
“On the way up to Notre Dame, I’ll probably stop by Ohio State or Michigan,” he said.
Hood rushed for 3,309 yards and 48 touchdowns this past season after running for 1,982 yards and 35 touchdowns as a sophomore, but he was actually looking at playing linebacker in college at one point.
“I’m starting to feel running back more, so I might as well go with it,” he said. “I think I might be a linebacker for UNC or Clemson, but they’re liking me at running back too, so I’ll just go with running back.
“I think I’m talented enough to do whatever I set my mind to. I’m comfortable running the ball, so it doesn’t matter to me what position I play.”
Despite putting up monster numbers on offense, Hood was looking forward to playing defense.
“I like to hit people,” he said. “I like to try to stop guys. I can transfer that kind of effort into running back. It doesn’t really matter, I like to play the game. I just thought my aggression would pay off more at linebacker.”
When watching Owensboro Apollo’s boys’ basketball team, one thing is apparent: Center Hunter Bivin is much bigger than your average high school hoops player.
But the 6-foot-6, 290-pound Bivin, known best as the All-American offensive lineman who is committed to the Notre Dame football team, said he’s had a passion for playing basketball his entire life, and his long, strong build makes him an effective player.
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