In partnership with CBSSports.com
Online Now 728
Online now 711 Record: 6507 (2/14/2012)
The place for Irish fans to engage in hardcore discussion about Notre Dame athletics
Talk with Irish fans from around the globe about college football's most storied program
The spot for anything on your mind outside of Notre Dame athletics
The place for Notre Dame fans to trade and exchange tickets
You have no favorite boards.
The most viewed topics.
The most replied to topics.
The most up-voted topics.
The most down-voted topics.
The most up-voted posters.
The most down-voted posters.
The most followed posters.
Verbal Commits 
1] MI OL - Steve Elmer
2] OH TE/DE - Jacob Matuska
3] MN WR - James Onawalu
4] KY OL - Hunter Bivin
5] IL OL - Colin McGovern
6] PA OL - Mike McGlinchey
7] OH QB - Maliik Zaire
8] NJ ATH - Rashad Kinlaw
9] TX WR - Corey Robinson
10] DC CB - Devin Butler
someone please define Kelly's proto-type quarterback
If you are Lloyd Carr...its pretty easy...6-3 to 6-6, 200 to 230 lbs, throw first, drop back pocket passer with good range...tuck and run only occasionally.
What does Kelly's look like?
I ask because we have two dual threat guys, 6 ft tall, about 190...and we have Gunner..prostyle, 6-3, drop back pass first type.
Unless we are planning on using the wildcat frequently, I don't see a real pattern here.
See Dan LeFevour from CMU as Kelly's protype qb. However look what Curt Anes was able to do with GVSU and he was a fairly immobile qb, not Rees immobile, but not a dual threat.
Prior to ND, Kelly seemed to be a master at getting the most out of his QB's. I fear he may have had a QB coach pulling the strings for him that didn't make the voyage to South Bend.
I agree. Greg Forrest was with Kelly for a long time (19 years I believe). I think that Chuck Martin is going to do a solid job with the quarterbacks this year though. I never liked Charlie Molnar's style. He was a pure spread guy, rather than a hybrid guy like I think we'll quickly find out that Martin is. I think that Martin also has Kelly's ear a lot more than Molnar did and that there is a lot more respect there for Martin's opinion. I also think that there is a lot more synchronicity between Kelly and Martin, something Kelly has alluded to in spring interviews and press conferences.
I really do believe Kelly when he talks about starting over with the quarterbacks this spring and re-teaching the fundamentals. I think that is a cushy way of him saying "I don't like what Charlie Molnar taught them, and I am not happy with their development, so I Chuck Martin and I are going to take over and start from scratch". I don't think it can hurt! The quarterback play has been extremely shaky for the last two years.
As for the question of Kelly's ideal quarterback. It's not the matter of size to define the skill-set Kelly is looking for, rather it's a matter of skill-set.
Gunner Kiel is a much better runner than you give him credit for. I bet he runs in the high 4.6's / low 4.7's and while that's not elite by any stretch of the imagination, at 6'3, 230lbs, that's very solid. He runs as well, or better, than Dayne Crist did before his knee injuries and I think that is plenty to be a threat. Remember, Kelly doesn't NEED a runner, what he wants is a guy that can move the pocket and keep plays alive with his feet.
The problem with looking simply a measurables when trying to get a feel for quarterbacks, is that different sized guys can actually have similar skill sets. I've compared Everett Golson to Denis Dixon about 20 times on this board. On paper people think "no way" because Dixon is 4 inches taller than Golson so "there is no way they can be similar". That's simply not true.
A perfect example is at Texas. In 2005, Vince Young won the Heisman trophy running a version of the spread offense. Young is 6'5-6'5 and can run like the wind. Therefore, the offense was loaded with running options and run-pass options, as well as designed runs. For the next 4 years, Colt McCoy dominated at Texas and became the all time winningest QB in NCAA history, running the same offense (in theory) that Young ran prior to him. the difference is that while McCoy could still run and move the pocket, he didn't have the elite speed that Young did. So rather than emphasize the running options in the playbook, Texas used their running game more (with their running backs), but they used the same passing offense they had used with Young.
There is a misconception that everytime you switch quarterbacks (especially if they have slightly different skill sets) that have to remake your offense. That isn't true. In Texas' case, probably 65% of their offense stayed the exact same for McCoy as what was being run with Young. The changes that were made were subtle. For example, some of the run / pass options had their "run option" removed from them. Some of their roll outs designed to get Young into space, became in-pocket shotgun throws for McCoy. The blocking may have changed for the offensive line, but the routes the receivers were running remained the same.
Therefore, when you recruit your quarterbacks, you don't see to make the positions homogeneous. What you look for is the best quarterbacks available, that fit into the majority of your offense.
There is plenty of time in the spring and through the summer to install 25-30% of the playbook. Hell, you don't even need the entire playbook for game one. You can get away with having 75% of it learned, and continue to learn it throughout the year. The point is that Kiel can do the vast majority of what Golson and Hendrix and Zaire can do. Whichever guy ends up being the starter down the road, Kelly will makes some tweeks to maximize their effectiveness and take advantage of their skill set, but if one of them gets hurt or pulled, there won't be a complete change of playbook for the next guy. That vast majority of the playbook with carry over, despite that popular misconception.
WSBT-AM adds FM simulcast
Schurz Communications’ WSBT-AM South Bend, IN has migrated its News format onto FM, in addition to 960 AM. Schurz recently took over the 96.1 FM translator frequency in South Bend from Progressive Broadcasting System’s Christian WFRN-FM, based in Elkhart, IN.
Schurz’s two signals will simulcast around the clock, and that includes coverage of local sports, ESPN Radio and University of Notre Dame football and men’s basketball.
WFRN keeps its main 104.7 signal in Elkhart and 11 other regional translators.
247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports