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  • Well another year has passed and we again sit in mediocrity. I for one have never drank the Kool Aide that so many ND fans have after listening to soccer boys endless diatribes week after week on what a great coach bk is. I said back then and I say it now he cannot coach "big boy" football. Here come the comments from the bk lovers:
    1. He needs to get his recruits. Lets give him a couple more years.
    2. He didn't turn the ball over his players did. (Maybe he and his coaches should have practiced ball handling a little more).
    3. He cant win with Charlies recruits they don't fit his system.
    I say BS. This great coach has a record of 16-9 in two years. If we don't win the bowl game we will have the same record as last year. This is progress? Yeah but he needs his guys with his system. Is that why he played a QB who can't run faster than my grandma and can't throw a pass farther than a pop warner kid. Maybe if he let Hendrix get a little playing time during the year he would have been a little more polished last night. We have not improved as the season went on. Two turnover filled games to start, followed by our one good game against MSU, followed by more mediocrity against Pitt, followed by two decent games against a not so good Purdue//Air Force teams, followed by the USC beating, then beating a terrible Navy team, followed by a so so game against powerhouse WF, then beating up a terrible Maryland team , followed by more mediocrity with BC and finally last nights debacle because bk doesn't know who to play at QB. More mediocrity, more sitting in limbo, more of the same. Maybe next year......sounds like the fricking scrubs(I mean cubs).

  • Wow, you are so negative. You never post anything positive about ND. How about the fact that ND held Stanford to less than 30 points - they have scored 30 or more there last 14 games!!!! Guess ND's defense has not improved though. No coach does everything perfect - hindsight is always 20/20. But you see no improvement? You don't see that the d-line, as young as it is, played great this year and will only be getting better? You don't see that we are getting some great DB's next year, who will be producing in the future to go with the great d-line? Why do even bother rooting for ND....ND does not need a fan like you. Yeah, I think they should not be playing Rees, but I see a ton of positives in the team and in Kelly.

  • TheHawkND said... (original post)

    Wow, you are so negative. You never post anything positive about ND. How about the fact that ND held Stanford to less than 30 points - they have scored 30 or more there last 14 games!!!! Guess ND's defense has not improved though. No coach does everything perfect - hindsight is always 20/20. But you see no improvement? You don't see that the d-line, as young as it is, played great this year and will only be getting better? You don't see that we are getting some great DB's next year, who will be producing in the future to go with the great d-line? Why do even bother rooting for ND....ND does not need a fan like you. Yeah, I think they should not be playing Rees, but I see a ton of positives in the team and in Kelly.

    Well if they held Stanford to 15 last night they still lose. Yes the defense is not bad. Well we will see if they are great DB's. We were supposed to have a coach who could "coach em up". yeah he is coaching em up to a whopping 16-9 record. I guess I have higher standards then some ND fans. Let me ask you this if you were told ND would be 8-4 this season in September, would you consider this a successful season with the talent we had. I would say the season was mediocre. Thats my opinion.

  • 8-4 is not a success, I agree. ND beat themselves this year though. They failed to capitalize on the turnovers last night and had too many of there own. They are a better team than there record, and I don't think you believe that. I took some positives from the year, and you only took the negatives. I am excited about the bowl game, especially if they start Hendrix. I will admit that if Rees plays I will not be so excited. One positive I took from last night is that hopefully it gives Hendrix the experience to become the starter next year, competing with Golsen. And it gave Kelly a chance to see that Hendrix can play better in his offense than Rees.

  • TheHawkND said... (original post)

    8-4 is not a success, I agree. ND beat themselves this year though. They failed to capitalize on the turnovers last night and had too many of there own. They are a better team than there record, and I don't think you believe that. I took some positives from the year, and you only took the negatives. I am excited about the bowl game, especially if they start Hendrix. I will admit that if Rees plays I will not be so excited. One positive I took from last night is that hopefully it gives Hendrix the experience to become the starter next year, competing with Golsen. And it gave Kelly a chance to see that Hendrix can play better in his offense than Rees.

    Thank God it only took him 12 games to figure out that Hendrix is the better QB.

  • TheHawkND said... (original post)

    8-4 is not a success, I agree. ND beat themselves this year though. They failed to capitalize on the turnovers last night and had too many of there own. They are a better team than there record, and I don't think you believe that. I took some positives from the year, and you only took the negatives. I am excited about the bowl game, especially if they start Hendrix. I will admit that if Rees plays I will not be so excited. One positive I took from last night is that hopefully it gives Hendrix the experience to become the starter next year, competing with Golsen. And it gave Kelly a chance to see that Hendrix can play better in his offense than Rees.

    Oh I think they could be a dam good team. I thought they would be 10-2 with the team they have,however bk stinks and his handling of the QB has been an absolute joke. Glad you like Hendrix and or Gholson. Either one is better than TT. I look at the whole picture, we are 10-2 at the worst. with the team we had. This 8-4 baloney is because bk doesn't know how to coach. Listen Hawk we are no longer in pop warner, this is about wins. I think you were one of the kids who's parents gave you a lolypop even though you lost because you played so hard. This is "big boy" football and it is all about W-L and bk is 16-9 not acceptable as far as I am concerned.

  • knight84 said... (original post)

    Oh I think they could be a dam good team. I thought they would be 10-2 with the team they have,however bk stinks and his handling of the QB has been an absolute joke. Glad you like Hendrix and or Gholson. Either one is better than TT. I look at the whole picture, we are 10-2 at the worst. with the team we had. This 8-4 baloney is because bk doesn't know how to coach. Listen Hawk we are no longer in pop warner, this is about wins. I think you were one of the kids who's parents gave you a lolypop even though you lost because you played so hard. This is "big boy" football and it is all about W-L and bk is 16-9 not acceptable as far as I am concerned.

    We are not 10-2 or better because of turnovers. Some of that is on BK for him starting TT. But not all of it. You cannot say BK did not coach ball security....two turnovers returned for a TD from the 1 yard line? ND beat themselves, that is why they are not 102 or better. You can blame it all on the coach, but that is ignorance.

  • TheHawkND said... (original post)

    We are not 10-2 or better because of turnovers. Some of that is on BK for him starting TT. But not all of it. You cannot say BK did not coach ball security....two turnovers returned for a TD from the 1 yard line? ND beat themselves, that is why they are not 102 or better. You can blame it all on the coach, but that is ignorance.

    Turn the ball over 5X to south fL, its time to start coaching and practicing protecting the football. Nope we do it again against Michigan. bk stinks and so does his little boy TT.

  • knight84 said... (original post)

    Turn the ball over 5X to south fL, its time to start coaching and practicing protecting the football. Nope we do it again against Michigan. bk stinks and so does his little boy TT.

    You really don't think he coached protecting the football???? You really think BK did not stress to Tommy to go through his reads better and not throw so many INT's? You really think BK didn't stress ball security to Tommy because he fumbles a lot when he is hit? From ESPN, I will quote to you - "C'mon, Man!"

  • Michigan was 10-2 under a first year coach. Isn't this BK's 2nd year? BK was supposed to be a winner that brought in a winner's mentality. The turnovers, and beating ourselves is the same broken record we've had with the previous coaches. If MSU & UM can both win 10 games in a season, then I don't think it is asking to much to EXPECT ND to do the same, especially given the talent level, etc.

    This year has been a major DISAPPOINTMENT.

    With that said, go out and beat the bowl team (hopefully FSU), get another solid recruiting class, then next year better be a minimum of 10 wins in the regular season.

  • murrayevan said... (original post)

    Michigan was 10-2 under a first year coach. Isn't this BK's 2nd year? BK was supposed to be a winner that brought in a winner's mentality. The turnovers, and beating ourselves is the same broken record we've had with the previous coaches. If MSU & UM can both win 10 games in a season, then I don't think it is asking to much to EXPECT ND to do the same, especially given the talent level, etc.

    This year has been a major DISAPPOINTMENT.

    With that said, go out and beat the bowl team (hopefully FSU), get another solid recruiting class, then next year better be a minimum of 10 wins in the regular season.

    I really thought this year would be a great year. Last year we win 4 in a row, win the bowl game, get a solid recruiting class so all things are looking up in 2011. Then bk lays an egg for the season.

  • I think this season was a massive disappointment. There were certainly some major positive developements....mostly on the defensive line but an 8-4 record with that schedule and the talent on ND's roster is unacceptable. I am not ready to say that BK stinks but I am not thrilled with the results so far.

  • goirish1976 said... (original post)

    I think this season was a massive disappointment. There were certainly some major positive developements....mostly on the defensive line but an 8-4 record with that schedule and the talent on ND's roster is unacceptable. I am not ready to say that BK stinks but I am not thrilled with the results so far.

    I am wrong bk does not stink. He is just a mediocre coach who is in way over his head.

  • murrayevan said... (original post)

    Michigan was 10-2 under a first year coach. Isn't this BK's 2nd year?

    That's the point. Remember that our current senior class is from the #1 recruiting class in the country. The schedule was manageable this year, and there's no good excuse for not going 10-2 or even better.

    The idea that it takes years to "rebuild" the program is largely nonsense. Kelly inherited a huge amount of talent. And lots of coaches--Ara Parseghian, Urban Meyer, Bob Stoops, Brady Hoke, Lane Kiffin, among others--have been extremely successful by their second year. And we'd better not be too smug about the trajectory of the program, because next year's ND team may be less talented, lacking some key players like Floyd and Gray and maybe even some guys with eligibility left--and the schedule is very challenging. Let's face it, getting outclassed by a strong opponent is never an encouraging sign.

  • 3 big mistakes:
    1. not having the sense to start Hendrix from game 1 onward.
    2. not letting Lynch and Tuitt play against Michigan.
    3. not going with a 4-3.

    They would be undefeated had he been a good enough coach to realize who's best at what position and what's the best scheme. That's it. His loyalty should have been to the team and program, not individual favorites that negatively impacted the outcomes of 4 games and almost caused a few more losses.
    Kelly's bad choices turned an undefeated season into frustration.

  • Of course, it's just speculation, but I believe Parseghian would have been 12-0 or 11-1 with these guys, Holtz no worse than 10-2. For certain, we should have won those first 2 games. USC and Stanford, however, were certainly worthy opponents.

  • patH72 said... (original post)

    Of course, it's just speculation, but I believe Parseghian would have been 12-0 or 11-1 with these guys, Holtz no worse than 10-2. For certain, we should have won those first 2 games. USC and Stanford, however, were certainly worthy opponents.

    Oh yeah, is that what that is? Speculation?

    In many ways, you're the worst of the BK haters on this board. You just try to be all detached about it.

    Well that's good to know. Good to know that BK failed where the great Ara P would have surely succeeded. Purely speculatively speaking, naturally. But should we have expected any less? Of course not. We all knew BK was second-tier.

    Look at this way, though, fellow ND fan. Now you never have to worry about a second-tier coach like BK, who probably doesn't have a whole lot of business being at ND anyway, ever tarnishing or diminishing your gauzy memories of all the great ND coaches of yore. So he's another suitable foil for the heroes of the pantheon. And they can remain tranquil and alone on Mount Olympus.

    So at least there's that.

  • This thread is so much garbage i'd almost rather talk to "Merlin" at least sometimes he's funny....Knight whines like his va jay-jay hurts. 2 seasons and your going on a witch hunt? Man some people on here are just clueless.

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  • roc351w said... (original post)

    This thread is so much garbage i'd almost rather talk to "Merlin" at least sometimes he's funny....Knight whines like his va jay-jay hurts. 2 seasons and your going on a witch hunt? Man some people on here are just clueless.

    Well pal 16-9 is not my idea of progress after two seasons. Same old story. If thats your definition of clueless then your an idiot.

  • knight84 said... (original post)

    Well pal 16-9 is not my idea of progress after two seasons. Same old story. If thats your definition of clueless then your an idiot.

    Once again "buddy" all that comes from you is bullsh!t, how did you feel during the Weis era? and why be so negative you honestly think anyone wants to hear you whine? Not at all no one wants to hear and personally i don't think any one cares what a negative fan has to say. Theres a million other sites why don't you go there to spread your sh!t............

    It's quite obvious that im not the only person that has this view of you so why don't you just give it a rest. Grow up some and if your a "real fan" like many claim here then support the team. You bitching and moaning about someones job that you have no experience doing yourself is just as idiotic as possible. Where have you been the last 15 years and if you get this upset between last year and this year if im really surprised you didn't commit suicide in the past.

    We are trying to build towards the future wannabe fans like you kill it for all the rest.

    Oh and name calling on the internet makes you a douche. Tough guys say tough things in "real life" not on the internet.

    This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by roc351w 3 years ago

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  • You see 16-9, I see a season where we manhandled the teams we should have and we were 'in' every game, nobody blew us off the field, our own turnovers and mistakes did us in, nobody beat us, we beat ourselves. Are we in the upper echelon of teams, not now but we just might be getting there. BK is building this team the right way, solid depth on the d and o lines and now he needs to rebuild the secondary. The skill players will always come to ND, not worried about that....it's the defense that will get us to the next level. I can't guarantee we will get there but I feel better in year 2 of BK than I did in the last 3 coaches......

    Now let's go mop the floor with FSU and wrap up this recruiting cycle and get to spring camp!!!

  • ahl0504 said... (original post)

    we were 'in' every game, nobody blew us off the field,

    That would be true of Weis's last year, where we didn't lose a game by more than a touchdown. This year, USC beat us 31-17 and outgained us, 443-267, while Stanford beat us 28-14 and outgained us 429-309. I'm not sure you could say we were "in" these games, although the scoring differential wasn't that great. It would have been nice this deep into the new program to be more competitive with these teams.

    I think most of us would agree that next year, for sure, we have to be winning some of these games and competitive in all of them.

    This post was edited by patH72 3 years ago

  • patH72 said... (original post)

    That would be true of Weis's last year, where we didn't lose a game by more than a touchdown. This year, USC beat us 31-17 and outgained us, 443-267, while Stanford beat us 28-14 and outgained us 429-309. I'm not sure you could say we were "in" these games, although the scoring differential wasn't that great. It would have been nice this deep into the new program to be more competitive with these teams.

    I think most of us would agree that next year, for sure, we have to be winning some of these games and competitive in all of them.

    Seems like some people here are happy if ND is "in the game". I say BS. This team should have won 10 games this year, instead we sit here with an 8-4 record. Very disappointing.

  • roc351w said... (original post)

    Once again "buddy" all that comes from you is bullsh!t, how did you feel during the Weis era? and why be so negative you honestly think anyone wants to hear you whine? Not at all no one wants to hear and personally i don't think any one cares what a negative fan has to say. Theres a million other sites why don't you go there to spread your sh!t............

    It's quite obvious that im not the only person that has this view of you so why don't you just give it a rest. Grow up some and if your a "real fan" like many claim here then support the team. You bitching and moaning about someones job that you have no experience doing yourself is just as idiotic as possible. Where have you been the last 15 years and if you get this upset between last year and this year if im really surprised you didn't commit suicide in the past.

    We are trying to build towards the future wannabe fans like you kill it for all the rest.

    Oh and name calling on the internet makes you a douche. Tough guys say tough things in "real life" not on the internet.

    I think you said what a lot of us are thinking. I don't remember one positive post from "knight84".

  • I believe BK will get the talent at ND . but to win 11 or 12 games a year the coach must be a motivator I just do not see this with Kelly .

  • I agree with this, although it is worthy of note that so far the recruiting rankings of Kelly's teams has not matched Weis's. The current ranking is in the 10-20 range, and as might be remembered Weis has 2 top-5 teams. But I would probably agree that Kelly is probably doing a better job of filling all of the team's needs across all the positions.

    But can he lead these guys to a top-5 ranking, or win a national championship? I'm going to need some convincing on that one.