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I love it when newbie types come on this forum and expound on their ignorance...
--- as in Roadrunner claiming Johnny football was the #1 QB out of high school in his recruiting class (2011).
If my memory is correct, Johnny came out of Texas, never recruited by Texas or other major programs, but was by Stanford and Oregon besides A&M.
--- pretty much in the lower or bottom end of the top 20 or 25 QB rating...but nowhere even close to a Top 5, let alone a #1.
Out of high school, in comparison to Hendrix, Mass, and Rees...he would have rated higher to much higher than any of those three.
In comparison to Clausen and Crist, (#1 and Top 5) he would have rated much, much lower.
In comparison to Kiel, Golsen, and Zaire, he would have rated "well below' Kiel, Zaire, and Golsen ...in that order (Kiel being the #1, Zaire Top 10, Golsen Top 15)
As to his numbers, I can name 3-4 quarterbacks off the top of my head this year who have better numbers...and who can play just as well...
--- Cameron, Doege, Smith, and you can toss in Fales from San Jose State.
Even in the SEC, Murray was a much better quarterback, with better stats.
Johnny Football is a SEC joke.
This post was edited by 6yardsitko on 12/11/2012 at 10:43 PM
I had a chance to watch Manziel a couple of times this year, and fellow freshman Marcus Mariota quite a bit. From my perspective, there is no comparison. Mariota is a far better player now, and is a far better pro prospect than Manziel.
Manziel's arm strength just isn't anywhere near the top quarterbacks. It's questionable that the Hesiman Trophy winning quarterback can't crack the top 10 in any NCAA passing statistics. Yes, he gets a fair number of running yards, but on a good team with excellent running backs you really don't want that.
Comparing him with Cam Newton isn't really valid. Newton carried his team to a national championship largely on the basis of his own performance. I don't think we're likely to be seeing Texas A&M winning any of those.
Johnny wasn't #1 or anywhere near #1 in any major recruiting service....
--- Show me any where he was in the Top 20....
By the way, he was in the class of 2011...
Do you actually read Parade magazine?
--- their selections are absolutely weird for the most part, as in Justin Worley (TN) as one of their top QBs...really?
--- and Maty Mauk as their #1 in 2012...strange indeed...basically comparable to Golsen our of HS, no better no worse...I liked him for ND, but not as a #1 QB recruit.
--- in the 2012 class, Kiel was clearly the top dog QB if you looked at programs comparable to ND, like OSU, UM, USC, Stanford.
At least Gilbert in 2009 and Heaps in 2010 made more sense, even though Gilbert left TX to go to SMU (no surprise there), and
--- and Heaps left BYU (benched at BYU as was Gilbert at TX) for Kansas and good old Charlie.
Parade's picks are just too weird to put much credence in year in and year out....ask Faust.
Johnny was in the recruiting class of 2011, in his 2nd of 5 years of eligibility...whatever you want to call him...I don't think I said he was a soph...my bad if I did....
--- and you are absolutely correct..I don't read Parade...sorry...I didn't think anyone else did who was serious about HS recruiting.
At least they got Johnny right in 2011...
--- not much else as far as QBs go except for Clausen.
Change of staff writers?
Half his stats came against nobodies.This is a down year in the SEC.They have 4 strong teams but the rest of schedule sucks.Arkansas and Auburn are bottom feeders this year.Sam Houston that perrenial powerhouse.OMG.Look at the shedule and see where he got most of his stats from and look at that teams record.Just saying.
Is it just me or do the grapes seem very sour in South Bend?
You mean the quarterback who played in an extremely friendly quarterback offense with two tackles that are predicted to go in the top 10 in the draft. A defense that also has many top round draft picks. Is that one we are talking about? He is good player no doubt but he is not the best quarterback in the country. Golson played a tougher schedule in a different offense with another coach. Manziel maybe the better qb at the moment or the more productive one in the offense they use. I am not saying that A&M was a bad team in fact they have lots of talent.
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