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MattyBoy - Try reading Obama's "Change We Can Believe in"

  • MattyBoy,

    As captain of the Spell Checker squad for Obama/Biden, why don't you try reading...
    --- Obama's 2008 book "Change We Can Believe In, Barack Obama's Plan to Renew America's Promise".

    I know you haven't read it because it isn't required reading in your high school,
    --- but pick up a copy at your used book store for a couple of pennies.

    He wrote this book at that time he was making all his promises about "changing" America if elected in 2008.

    I admit I'm not as good as you about nit picking trivia...you have that type of mind that focuses on trivia...
    --- but this book is full (and I mean FULL) of broken promises...left and right, and up and down.

    So many, I gave up trying to keep track of his failed promises when I began re-reading it.

    One glaring example...

    I will.....“Jump-start our economy with a $50 billion stimulus plan that would put money directly in the pockets of families struggling with rising food and mortgage payments.”

    The actual first stimulus, (QE1 which began in March of 2009, one of many by the way) as passed in early 2009, was nearly 25-50 times as big (depending on who you read and believe, and I have read as high as 27 $Trillion when you account for everything from Day 1 that went under the table to the US and foreign money center banks) and did little to help struggling families or the economy itself (regardless of the phony unemployment data like the recent 7.8% unemployment # which is totally false).

    The point here (which you never get; you never get the point of anything) is that after 4 years of presumably trying...
    --- I have a very difficult time in believing anything Obama or Biden say they are going to do if re-elected...

    6yardsitko

  • La6yard-

    Have fun voting for the man who lacks any principles. Pro-Choice then Pro-Life. "Coal kills", now a champion for coal. Etc.

    Vote for Mr. Etch-a-sketch.

    I noticed you didn't write anything positive about your Governor Flip-Flop.

    Mattymo

  • Mattymo said...

    La6yard-

    Have fun voting for the man who lacks any principles. Pro-Choice then Pro-Life. "Coal kills", now a champion for coal. Etc.

    Vote for Mr. Etch-a-sketch.

    I noticed you didn't write anything positive about your Governor Flip-Flop.

    you mean like Obama...against same sex marriage and now for it?

    dpfenny

  • dpfenny said...

    you mean like Obama...against same sex marriage and now for it?

    Dpfenny -

    Romney has changed his position on nearly every main issue. But if you can't admit that, then you belong with La6yard and the spray-tan Governor.

    Mattymo

  • Mattymo said...

    Dpfenny -

    Romney has changed his position on nearly every main issue. But if you can't admit that, then you belong with La6yard and the spray-tan Governor.

    I admit they have both changed position on many issues. Obviously you cannot do the same.

    dpfenny

  • dpfenny said...

    I admit they have both changed position on many issues. Obviously you cannot do the same.

    Dpfenny -

    It's amazing to me that Romney supporters don't see the lack of integrity in their candidate, but Colin Powell does.

    Mattymo

  • Mattymo said...

    Dpfenny -

    It's amazing to me that Romney supporters don't see the lack of integrity in their candidate, but Colin Powell does.

    So Powell supporting Obama AGAIN is supposed to be a surprise? Do I really need to bring up dems that are supporting Romney? OK then.

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/08/artur-davis-republican-convention-speaker-obama-/1#.UIsCxMXR6HM

    If you complain about Romney's changing positions and not Obama's then it is clear your bias is blinding any rational discussion. I have no problem with those that support Obama based on whatever they think is important but to claim one has flip flopped while ignoring the same in the other is completely disingenuous.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by dpfenny on 10/26/2012 at 4:39 PM

    dpfenny

  • dpfenny said...

    So Powell supporting Obama AGAIN is supposed to be a surprise? Do I really need to bring up dems that are supporting Romney? OK then.

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/08/artur-davis-republican-convention-speaker-obama-/1#.UIsCxMXR6HM

    If you complain about Romney's changing positions and not Obama's then it is clear your bias is blinding any rational discussion. I have no problem with those that support Obama based on whatever they think is important but to claim one has flip flopped while ignoring the same in the other is completely disingenuous.

    It is disingenuous to suggest that Romney and Obama are anything alike. Obama may have changed positions, but he hasn't gone through a primary espousing beliefs, and made a complete 180 degree switch on those beliefs months later simply in order to win an election. And the fact that Romney was willing to throw corporations (automakers) under the bus for political expediency is all we have to know about his character. He purports to know how business works, yet is willing to ruin the reputation of another business simply to get elected. It is very sad. And 60 million voters in this great country rejected this cynicism.

    Mattymo

  • Mattymo said...

    It is disingenuous to suggest that Romney and Obama are anything alike. Obama may have changed positions, but he hasn't gone through a primary espousing beliefs, and made a complete 180 degree switch on those beliefs months later simply in order to win an election. And the fact that Romney was willing to throw corporations (automakers) under the bus for political expediency is all we have to know about his character. He purports to know how business works, yet is willing to ruin the reputation of another business simply to get elected. It is very sad. And 60 million voters in this great country rejected this cynicism.

    No use arguing with you. It is easy to see the list of Obama flip flops with a simple google search. You just have your blinders on and only see what you want to see. Fact is both have flip flopped on multiple issues and have done so for political reasons. It is a fact.

    I would ask you to clarify your statement on "Romney was willing to throw corporations under the bus", but I am afraid your answer would be nothing more than an MSNBC talking point.

    dpfenny

  • dpfenny said...

    I would ask you to clarify your statement on "Romney was willing to throw corporations under the bus", but I am afraid your answer would be nothing more than an MSNBC talking point.

    Dp-

    Mr. Romney claimed that automakers, with facilities in Ohio, were going outsource many jobs from Ohio to China. Now these corporations have to deal with their reputations being soiled with outsourcing charges. Since when do Republican nominees accuse corporations of outsourcing?

    And no I didn't hear it on MSNBC, as I don't watch it.

    Mattymo

  • Mattymo said...

    Dp-

    Mr. Romney claimed that automakers, with facilities in Ohio, were going outsource many jobs from Ohio to China. Now these corporations have to deal with their reputations being soiled with outsourcing charges. Since when do Republican nominees accuse corporations of outsourcing?

    And no I didn't hear it on MSNBC, as I don't watch it.

    Oh so you are upset with Romney's false ads but not with Obama's. Or are you blinded so much that you don't think Obama had any? Is this the same as your stance on the flip flops? Obama's are fine but Romney's are bad?

    I guess you are ok with this one...

    http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-outsourcer-overreach/

    dpfenny

  • dpfenny said...

    Oh so you are upset with Romney's false ads but not with Obama's. Or are you blinded so much that you don't think Obama had any? Is this the same as your stance on the flip flops? Obama's are fine but Romney's are bad?

    I guess you are ok with this one...

    http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-outsourcer-overreach/

    Dp -

    It has nothing to do with false ads. Romney talked about being a successful businessman, as one of the reasons why we should vote for him. He was also the one who said "corporations are people". And he took millions of dollars from business owners. Yet when he was facing defeat he didn't hesitate to falsely accuse a corporation solely in an attempt to garner votes.

    Mattymo

  • Mattymo said...

    Dp -

    It has nothing to do with false ads. Romney talked about being a successful businessman, as one of the reasons why we should vote for him. He was also the one who said "corporations are people". And he took millions of dollars from business owners. Yet when he was facing defeat he didn't hesitate to falsely accuse a corporation solely in an attempt to garner votes.

    So that is wrong but what Obama claimed in his false ad was ok? Were not Obama's false ads an attempt to "garner votes"?

    As for Romney, he was and is a successful business man.

    dpfenny

  • dpfenny said...

    As for Romney, he was and is a successful business man.

    Dp -

    You can't possibly be that dense. Romney is and has been successful in business. But why would he falsely accuse another business simply for political expediency? And if it's such a good idea for Republicans to criticize corporations, why aren't more of them doing it?

    Mattymo

  • Mattymo said...

    Dp -

    You can't possibly be that dense. Romney is and has been successful in business. But why would he falsely accuse another business simply for political expediency? And if it's such a good idea for Republicans to criticize corporations, why aren't more of them doing it?

    BOTH candidates made many false claims during their campaigns. It is really not that hard to understand. You simply only want to see Romney's even though Obama's are right there in front of you. It is people like you that keep the candidates campaigning negatively. It obviously worked on you.

    dpfenny

  • dpfenny said...

    BOTH candidates made many false claims during their campaigns. It is really not that hard to understand. You simply only want to see Romney's even though Obama's are right there in front of you. It is people like you that keep the candidates campaigning negatively. It obviously worked on you.

    Dpfenny -

    For the third time it's not about false claims. Romney is suppose to be about business, yet he was willing to ruin the reputation of a business simply to get elected. Republicans don't usually criticize business, Romney did. I'm sorry you understand this simple fact.

    The negative campaigning had no effect on me, I could never vote for a man who has no core beliefs. You're different, you apparently like candidates who spray-tan.

    Mattymo

  • Mattymo said...

    Dpfenny -

    For the third time it's not about false claims. Romney is suppose to be about business, yet he was willing to ruin the reputation of a business simply to get elected. Republicans don't usually criticize business, Romney did. I'm sorry you understand this simple fact.

    The negative campaigning had no effect on me, I could never vote for a man who has no core beliefs. You're different, you apparently like candidates who spray-tan.

    Spin away. Romney did not ruin any business reputation. Did Obama ruin Bain Capitals reputation? LOL at you acting as if you are outraged at Romney because he ad involved a business and he is a business man. Just face it, you love Obama therefore you have no problem with his lies and broken promises. You do not like Romney so you criticize his. Where is your outrage over the Obama administration lying to the American people about Benghazi?

    dpfenny

  • Dpfenny -

    Again you can't contemplate a simple fact. Continue into your conspiracies and your lack of knowledge. I'm sorry your etch-a-sketch candidate didn't win for you. Go get a spray-tan like your guy. And keep on voting for candidates who have no core or soul.

    Mattymo

  • Mattymo said...

    Dpfenny -

    Again you can't contemplate a simple fact. Continue into your conspiracies and your lack of knowledge. I'm sorry your etch-a-sketch candidate didn't win for you. Go get a spray-tan like your guy. And keep on voting for candidates who have no core or soul.

    Gotta love the childish personal attacks on Romney. Grow up. It is real simply, you like Obama so his lies are ok. You do not like Romney so you have a problem with his...and you attack him personally. Once again, it is people like you that make politics what they are today.

    Where is your outrage over the Obama administration lying to the American people about Benghazi?

    This post was edited by dpfenny on 11/18/2012 at 7:45 PM

    dpfenny

  • dpfenny said...

    Gotta love the childish personal attacks on Romney. Grow up. It is real simply, you like Obama so his lies are ok. You do not like Romney so you have a problem with his...and you attack him personally. Once again, it is people like you that make politics what they are today.

    Where is your outrage over the Obama administration lying to the American people about Benghazi?

    Dpfenny,

    You don't know how I reacted to Benghazi.

    But that's besides the point. You can't admit that you supported a candidate that lost because he wasn't honest with the American people. A candidate who had every reason to win, but choked it away. Your candidate is getting criticized by Republicans on a daily basis, but you're too daft to clue in.

    Mattymo

  • Mattymo said...

    Dpfenny,

    You don't know how I reacted to Benghazi.

    But that's besides the point. You can't admit that you supported a candidate that lost because he wasn't honest with the American people. A candidate who had every reason to win, but choked it away. Your candidate is getting criticized by Republicans on a daily basis, but you're too daft to clue in.

    LMAO, I admitted from the beginning that Romney flip flopped. I simply pointed out Obama's did as well. Both made false claims. You are the only one in this thread trying to make claim about one candidate without seeing the same faults in the other. You simply have blinders on. Apparently you need to go back and reread the thread. w/jw

    So once again, you have no problem with the Obama Admin lying about Benghazi?

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by dpfenny on 11/19/2012 at 10:56 PM

    dpfenny

  • Dpfenny -

    Again, I am sorry that you decided to support the guy who lost the election, and showed no core beliefs. His "self-deportation" for illegal immigrants seemed like a home-run (sarcasm). I was waiting for Romney to suggest that rapists and muderers should just report to prisons after committing their crimes.

    Mattymo

  • Mattymo said...

    Dpfenny -

    Again, I am sorry that you decided to support the guy who lost the election, and showed no core beliefs. His "self-deportation" for illegal immigrants seemed like a home-run (sarcasm). I was waiting for Romney to suggest that rapists and muderers should just report to prisons after committing their crimes.

    You are impossible. I guess it is easier for you to point out the flaws in the other candidate then to accept the same flaws in the candidate you support. LOL at any Obama supporter questioning some other candidates "core beliefs". Gitmo? Renditions? Gay Marriage? Lobbyists? etc etc etc Turn of the MSNBC.roflmao

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/
    Not that you will click on the link. The truth is apparently too much for you to handle.

    Funny you keep avoiding the Obama Admin lying about Benghazi. That is ok. It is obvious by your blind partisanship that you have no problem with it.

    Speaking of immigration...yet another false claim by Obama
    http://www.politifact.com/texas/article/2012/oct/17/obamas-flawed-claim-about-romney-and-arizonas-immi/

    Didn't Obama promise an immigration bill in his first year. Yet another broken promise.
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/16/mitt-romney/romney-says-obama-failed-offer-immigration-bill-he/

    Romney has been consistent on Immigration...unlike Obama.
    http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/feb/07/mitt-romney/did-romney-flip-deporting-illegal-immigrants/

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by dpfenny on 11/20/2012 at 10:02 AM

    dpfenny

  • Dpfenny -

    Just let criminals enforce themselves, great policy by your candidate Romney. He did a great job of releasing his tax returns, what a coward.

    Mattymo

  • Mattymo said...

    Dpfenny -

    Just let criminals enforce themselves, great policy by your candidate Romney. He did a great job of releasing his tax returns, what a coward.

    Like Obama not releasing his transcripts? You really are clueless. A blind partisan to the core.

    You do a good job of misrepresenting Romney's immigration plan....just like Obama. Of course, based on this thread, you are not one for caring about the facts.

    Speaking of immigration...yet another false claim by Obama
    http://www.politifact.com/texas/article/2012/oct/17/obamas-flawed-claim-about-romney-and-arizonas-immi/

    Didn't Obama promise an immigration bill in his first year. Yet another broken promise.
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/16/mitt-romney/romney-says-obama-failed-offer-immigration-bill-he/

    Romney has been consistent on Immigration...unlike Obama.
    http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/feb/07/mitt-romney/did-romney-flip-deporting-illegal-immigrants/

    Funny you keep avoiding the Obama Admin lying about Benghazi. That is ok. It is obvious by your blind partisanship that you have no problem with it.

    dpfenny

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